I did think @ one time that Charlie Widmore is part of darma but now we know he is part of the others if we take that go a step farther that Charlie Widmore was the leader before Ben was and he gave the order to kill all of the darma group not Ben as he told Hurley when standing over the graves someone else gave the order.
and I think that Ben may of try ed to kill Widmore at one time thats how they know it would do know good.
Charlie Widmore was forced to leave maybe he turned the wheel thats how Ben know what will happen wen he turns it.
Charlie Widmore blames Ben for him geting kick off and this starts the war of Charles tring to take it back by force.
Now this thin keeps repaying over and over just like Locke hitting that reset button it all starts over just like that.
Ben nor Charlies or Locke would know why its like hitting any reset
it did not happen yet.
So when they go back it all starts all over, and if the dead are dead then all who died must die the only way to change it is Desmond the rules do not applie.
thanks Theory by dig4dug
and I think that Ben may of try ed to kill Widmore at one time thats how they know it would do know good.
Charlie Widmore was forced to leave maybe he turned the wheel thats how Ben know what will happen wen he turns it.
Charlie Widmore blames Ben for him geting kick off and this starts the war of Charles tring to take it back by force.
Now this thin keeps repaying over and over just like Locke hitting that reset button it all starts over just like that.
Ben nor Charlies or Locke would know why its like hitting any reset
it did not happen yet.
So when they go back it all starts all over, and if the dead are dead then all who died must die the only way to change it is Desmond the rules do not applie.
thanks Theory by dig4dug