There is two camps forming in the lost community now, the WHH camp of which I am a proud member, and the other camp, which believes something else). However, I believe we’ve all made a mistake by thinking the timeline of lost forms a straight line. For example when we see Locke in 2007 and we see how the barracks looks, we automatically try and construct a linear sequence of events that lead up to the barracks being this way. What if the timeline of lost has curved to such an extent, that it now forms a loop? Remember Miles said in SLIH, “Time isn’t a straight line for us anymore “So if we assume that he is correct, we can construct a rather crude diagram of how the timeline might look, which is shown below:
1977 -----> | |<------2007
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Island timeline ---- > | |
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As you can see from the diagram, both 2007 and 1977 exist simultaneously. In fact many more years will exist at the same time. A combined reality if you will, where both time periods exist in the same three dimensional space, but crucially, and this is where a lot of people are going wrong, it is still the SAME timeline. So, no more multiple timelines duplicating to infinity, no problems with energy conservation, just one straightforward timeline which has become curved by the island to such an extreme, that it appears to be a multiple timeline .Ok, but where does that get us? Do we learn something new? Well if the timeline does indeed exist in this way, then it could explain the whispers as merely overlapping voices from another time period. It would also neatly explain amongst other things, why Sawyer witnessed Claire giving birth, the hatch light going on, Locke observing Horace cut down a tree, and the cabin moving around the island?? Not sure about that one, but it’s ! been bugging me.
In 4x01 Hurley only observes the Cabin, I think this is important as it allows for the fact that the cabin might not have been there. If we think back to that scene, Hurley didn’t really interact with the cabin in any meaningful way; he only looked through the window. There was no grasping at door handles or other touchy feely interactions. So, all that Hurley could really have seen was a cabin from the future/past time period of the island. I don’t think the cabin has ever really moved, it’s just the producers have tried to confuse us all, by showing it from different time periods.
In other words, think of the 2007 cabin for example, which hasn’t moved at all and is just a regular cabin. The timeline for it though has become curved like the diagram above, so that it now overlaps Hurley’s time period in 4x01 and so appears in Hurley reality. If you remember in 4x01, the cabin flashed in and out of existence. So when Hurley tried to locate it again in 4x11, he was never going to find it, because it was never there in the first place.
The curved timeline/ shared reality, also explains why Hurley and Miles can communicate with dead people. Miles is picking up memories that flash into existence from the future/past time periods, while Hurley actually sees people and objects from different time periods.
Trying to fit Christian Shepherd into this theory is a tough one, because he doesn’t really obey any particular set of rules. All we know is that he appears too our survivors at crucial times, which include helping Jack find water, helping John move the island, and helping John get off the island. The most important question is perhaps, what happened to him immediately after he got to the island? We don’t really have a lot of information to go on at this stage and what happened to Locke is our only clue. What I’m leaning towards though is that he’s alive but in a different time period from the one that we‘re experiencing, as viewers of the show. In the same way as what happened to Locke, he was resurrected but remains in a different time period.
Ok, let’s assume we have just one timeline. Now, can the time periods on this line actually be capable of interacting on a physical level with each other?
For example let’s take the year 1977 and 2007 from the diagram, do they interact in a non physical level with just whispers and moving cabins, OR can the universe find a way of getting them to interact on a physical level? If it can, then this is the way it’s going to prevent Jack from changing the future. It will I believe use John Locke to course correct, or cancel out whatever Jack is going to do, and therefore the incident will still take place.
A lot of people believe that this can’t happen because they say Jack and company are constants and that everything they do, they ALWAYS did, and that the incident ALWAYS happened. So we are effectively just watching how things ALWAYS played out.
I agree with the majority of that, but I do also think that Faraday was right and that the survivors of flight 815 are all variables. If we assume faraday is correct and that the survivors living in 1977 are indeed variables, then by definition a variable has free will, is unpredictable and so is able to change history. The universe must step in to prevent this from ever happening and the method it has chosen to use is by interacting on a physical level between two time periods.
This means that the Ajira flight ALWAYS crashed, the universe ALWAYS split the survivors and that the reason the incident ALWAYS happened was because Locke and Jack ALWAYS cancelled each other out. ) I could be wrong lol
1977 -----> | |<------2007
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Island timeline ---- > | |
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As you can see from the diagram, both 2007 and 1977 exist simultaneously. In fact many more years will exist at the same time. A combined reality if you will, where both time periods exist in the same three dimensional space, but crucially, and this is where a lot of people are going wrong, it is still the SAME timeline. So, no more multiple timelines duplicating to infinity, no problems with energy conservation, just one straightforward timeline which has become curved by the island to such an extreme, that it appears to be a multiple timeline .Ok, but where does that get us? Do we learn something new? Well if the timeline does indeed exist in this way, then it could explain the whispers as merely overlapping voices from another time period. It would also neatly explain amongst other things, why Sawyer witnessed Claire giving birth, the hatch light going on, Locke observing Horace cut down a tree, and the cabin moving around the island?? Not sure about that one, but it’s ! been bugging me.
In 4x01 Hurley only observes the Cabin, I think this is important as it allows for the fact that the cabin might not have been there. If we think back to that scene, Hurley didn’t really interact with the cabin in any meaningful way; he only looked through the window. There was no grasping at door handles or other touchy feely interactions. So, all that Hurley could really have seen was a cabin from the future/past time period of the island. I don’t think the cabin has ever really moved, it’s just the producers have tried to confuse us all, by showing it from different time periods.
In other words, think of the 2007 cabin for example, which hasn’t moved at all and is just a regular cabin. The timeline for it though has become curved like the diagram above, so that it now overlaps Hurley’s time period in 4x01 and so appears in Hurley reality. If you remember in 4x01, the cabin flashed in and out of existence. So when Hurley tried to locate it again in 4x11, he was never going to find it, because it was never there in the first place.
The curved timeline/ shared reality, also explains why Hurley and Miles can communicate with dead people. Miles is picking up memories that flash into existence from the future/past time periods, while Hurley actually sees people and objects from different time periods.
Trying to fit Christian Shepherd into this theory is a tough one, because he doesn’t really obey any particular set of rules. All we know is that he appears too our survivors at crucial times, which include helping Jack find water, helping John move the island, and helping John get off the island. The most important question is perhaps, what happened to him immediately after he got to the island? We don’t really have a lot of information to go on at this stage and what happened to Locke is our only clue. What I’m leaning towards though is that he’s alive but in a different time period from the one that we‘re experiencing, as viewers of the show. In the same way as what happened to Locke, he was resurrected but remains in a different time period.
Ok, let’s assume we have just one timeline. Now, can the time periods on this line actually be capable of interacting on a physical level with each other?
For example let’s take the year 1977 and 2007 from the diagram, do they interact in a non physical level with just whispers and moving cabins, OR can the universe find a way of getting them to interact on a physical level? If it can, then this is the way it’s going to prevent Jack from changing the future. It will I believe use John Locke to course correct, or cancel out whatever Jack is going to do, and therefore the incident will still take place.
A lot of people believe that this can’t happen because they say Jack and company are constants and that everything they do, they ALWAYS did, and that the incident ALWAYS happened. So we are effectively just watching how things ALWAYS played out.
I agree with the majority of that, but I do also think that Faraday was right and that the survivors of flight 815 are all variables. If we assume faraday is correct and that the survivors living in 1977 are indeed variables, then by definition a variable has free will, is unpredictable and so is able to change history. The universe must step in to prevent this from ever happening and the method it has chosen to use is by interacting on a physical level between two time periods.
This means that the Ajira flight ALWAYS crashed, the universe ALWAYS split the survivors and that the reason the incident ALWAYS happened was because Locke and Jack ALWAYS cancelled each other out. ) I could be wrong lol
