Never any "hostiles"/locke, ben, widmore and the fight for leadership
my first posted theory here and its based on a few conditions but ima shoot it out anyways. also i like to inject a lil humor in my writings, please take this on a light note in some regards.
in anticipation for the other night's episode Life and death JB, i've been re-watching a few key episodes of johns and during season 3 i threw in "the man behind the curtain" aka "ben's tale" for good measure. what i began thinking about actually didn't puritan to john that but instead a scaresly talked about group the hostiles. this theory begins it by presuming one idea and thought that "jacob" is the spirit of the island. "jacob" is the name for the island guide who has been and advisor and leader to the others including Richard, Widmore, Ben and Locke. Locke is just the next leader of the island (but back to that in a moment).
since we already know jack and co have been flashed back to old DI days what if someone passes along the information to chang and other top DI members that one day all of them will die. an inside job, someone within their ranks. hurley knows ben killed them all, although he's not sure when or how, and could pass this information along via "dude, you're all gonna die".
what if the hostiles never exsisted but were instead a way for everyone in the DI to watch everyone else and report on one another? look back at "jughead" and see how viciously the others attacked the losties on the beach and latter the group heading to the creek. i mean they took out a group of the us army as well, and i'm not talkin about new recruit wetbacks, these members were part of the secret testing of H-bombs. i really think that if the others wanted to take out the DI they would have snipped them out the minute they stepped out of the submarine. look how quick to act against locke, sawyer and juliet widmore is in '54. protecting the island is serious business for him and would have no hesitation in taking out some more scientist for the good of the island. but think back to the convo between dan and richard in that episode as well where richard said about a chain of command and getting his orders from someone. now this someone could be widmore and richard act! ually plays a guide/support role as he does with ben, but widmore is only 17 in this scene and i think he would have to get his orders from someone really. so lets assume that richard (or widmore) is talking to jacob at this time. the convo goes something like this' R - "jacob some men have showed up here and they appear to have some sort of bomb" J- "Tell them once to leave and if they don't kill them" years later on, R - "Jacob some more men have came here, they have a submarine and they look like scientist, want me to tell them to leave and if they dont kill em?" J - "No they need to stay for the new leader of our people will come from them. you need to work with them for the time being." so alpert and widmore go to the DI and say "hey we're here, we can help you with what you need, but we ask that you keep the main part of the institution just in this area in the valley here, keep most of our island intact."
Enter time traveling jack and co
we have seen faraday in the not-quite-built orchid station and chang is recording introduction videos for the different stations. is it safe to say that jack and co arrive right when the DI is setting up? So what if they arrive, give this future-death info to chang (and radinsky?). For whatever reason though they dont get to pass along a when or who and this becomes a problem. chang knows the power of the island the the FDW and knows this may very well be the truth. so he and the head members of DI set up a type of 'big brother' watch within the DI, everyone spying on one anothser. he goes to richard and says "hey we need you to pretend to hate us and 'attack' us from time to time". they use these attacks to kill certain members they're not 100% sure they can trust and also adding the realism by keeping everyone on their toes. but they never know that they get the real guy until they run
in with jack and co in 2001. And thus begins everyone watching everyone else and being all scared of the hostiles. i mean, the friggin pearl spies on the other stations, who to say it didnt spy on the barracks as well? keeping an eye on everyone and having the others shoot those they mistrust or get pissed off at that week is what keeps chang and the top other members in power and they think keeps them safe. if the others really were hellbent on taking out the DI every chance they had, why the heck was horace building a cabin out in the middle of the woods? how would he explain that? "its ok guys, uummmm..... i've got..... ummm hostile spray to protect me and olivia." the truth is that the others were only attacking when the DI wanted them to. but there is one thing the DI didnt count on, jacob.
enter ben coming to the island
he gets upset about his mom and goes to run away and join the circus, i mean others. he runs into the jungle and stumbles across richard and talks to him about seeing his dead mom in the jungle. take a look at richard's face when ben says this, he's pretty shocked, the island/jacob only shows dead manifestations to those who are truly special. he goes and asks jacob what's up with the boy, jacob says, he will be the new leader when the time comes. i think that jacob demanded the purge through ben both as a test of his strength and commitment, and to take out the DI finally as they have served their purpose to the island (bringing ben). Thus ben became the new leader of the others, still following orders from jacob, still working with richard as a guide and assistant in the background. the how and why of of widmore leaving is still a mystery.
so now enter john locke. when john says to ben to take him to jacob the first time he isnt scared about a backlash from jacob, he's scared that this means locke will take ben's place as the new leader. (maybe during his teen years he and richard went to talk to jacob who told him what he must do and thus signify he would be the new leader?) this is even more evident when he is surprised that john cant see jacob (he thought he was going to be able to) and then when he shoots john and demands to know what he heard from jacob. he is deadly afraid of loosing his leadership position in the others the way that he took it from widmore. to me this is very true as john has been prepped in many test of faith in the island, many trials, sacrifice (his dad) and personal sacrifice when he was going to kill himself as a conviction to the good of the island.
so why all the fuss to become the leader of the others? sure you get all the perks of island secrets, speaking latin, living in tents, talking to an old creepy dude in a cabin, and running around with a guy with 2 colored eyes. but what's the REAL significance to the leader role? i think that the island/jacob has a very powerful secret or power that it has been sitting (metaphorically or literally for quite some time). is this the fountain of youth? the secret of life? alien technology? atlantis? god like power? the holy grail? what ever it is i think this can only be given at a specific time and to the leader of the others, the leader of the ppl of island. events on the esland have changed in the past 20? years, jacob is getting ready to reveal this gift/power, but only to the leader, only to the chosen one. ben knows this. widmore knows this. they don't care about "protecting the island" or anything like that. they know this great secret is coming to surface and ! they are doing everything they can to return themselves as the leader of the others, the leader of the island. both of them, have been using john to keep get back in power and uncover this power when the time comes. the island/jacob selects leaders from time to time (if they pass the tests and trials) knowing that they will only be temporary unless they can pass the ultimate test. what is this test? knowing the true power/secret and not falling into the selfish qualities of humanity, but becoming more than a man, becoming a deity by choosing to give this gift up for the good of the world rather then themselves. this gift is a metaphorical forbidden fruit and to give this up easily, well that takes a special person, that takes john locke imo.
please help me find any holes or structure flaws pls as i am currently using this theory to base it onto many others in Lost. Theory by Darksideofthemoon87
my first posted theory here and its based on a few conditions but ima shoot it out anyways. also i like to inject a lil humor in my writings, please take this on a light note in some regards.
in anticipation for the other night's episode Life and death JB, i've been re-watching a few key episodes of johns and during season 3 i threw in "the man behind the curtain" aka "ben's tale" for good measure. what i began thinking about actually didn't puritan to john that but instead a scaresly talked about group the hostiles. this theory begins it by presuming one idea and thought that "jacob" is the spirit of the island. "jacob" is the name for the island guide who has been and advisor and leader to the others including Richard, Widmore, Ben and Locke. Locke is just the next leader of the island (but back to that in a moment).
since we already know jack and co have been flashed back to old DI days what if someone passes along the information to chang and other top DI members that one day all of them will die. an inside job, someone within their ranks. hurley knows ben killed them all, although he's not sure when or how, and could pass this information along via "dude, you're all gonna die".
what if the hostiles never exsisted but were instead a way for everyone in the DI to watch everyone else and report on one another? look back at "jughead" and see how viciously the others attacked the losties on the beach and latter the group heading to the creek. i mean they took out a group of the us army as well, and i'm not talkin about new recruit wetbacks, these members were part of the secret testing of H-bombs. i really think that if the others wanted to take out the DI they would have snipped them out the minute they stepped out of the submarine. look how quick to act against locke, sawyer and juliet widmore is in '54. protecting the island is serious business for him and would have no hesitation in taking out some more scientist for the good of the island. but think back to the convo between dan and richard in that episode as well where richard said about a chain of command and getting his orders from someone. now this someone could be widmore and richard act! ually plays a guide/support role as he does with ben, but widmore is only 17 in this scene and i think he would have to get his orders from someone really. so lets assume that richard (or widmore) is talking to jacob at this time. the convo goes something like this' R - "jacob some men have showed up here and they appear to have some sort of bomb" J- "Tell them once to leave and if they don't kill them" years later on, R - "Jacob some more men have came here, they have a submarine and they look like scientist, want me to tell them to leave and if they dont kill em?" J - "No they need to stay for the new leader of our people will come from them. you need to work with them for the time being." so alpert and widmore go to the DI and say "hey we're here, we can help you with what you need, but we ask that you keep the main part of the institution just in this area in the valley here, keep most of our island intact."
Enter time traveling jack and co
we have seen faraday in the not-quite-built orchid station and chang is recording introduction videos for the different stations. is it safe to say that jack and co arrive right when the DI is setting up? So what if they arrive, give this future-death info to chang (and radinsky?). For whatever reason though they dont get to pass along a when or who and this becomes a problem. chang knows the power of the island the the FDW and knows this may very well be the truth. so he and the head members of DI set up a type of 'big brother' watch within the DI, everyone spying on one anothser. he goes to richard and says "hey we need you to pretend to hate us and 'attack' us from time to time". they use these attacks to kill certain members they're not 100% sure they can trust and also adding the realism by keeping everyone on their toes. but they never know that they get the real guy until they run
in with jack and co in 2001. And thus begins everyone watching everyone else and being all scared of the hostiles. i mean, the friggin pearl spies on the other stations, who to say it didnt spy on the barracks as well? keeping an eye on everyone and having the others shoot those they mistrust or get pissed off at that week is what keeps chang and the top other members in power and they think keeps them safe. if the others really were hellbent on taking out the DI every chance they had, why the heck was horace building a cabin out in the middle of the woods? how would he explain that? "its ok guys, uummmm..... i've got..... ummm hostile spray to protect me and olivia." the truth is that the others were only attacking when the DI wanted them to. but there is one thing the DI didnt count on, jacob.
enter ben coming to the island
he gets upset about his mom and goes to run away and join the circus, i mean others. he runs into the jungle and stumbles across richard and talks to him about seeing his dead mom in the jungle. take a look at richard's face when ben says this, he's pretty shocked, the island/jacob only shows dead manifestations to those who are truly special. he goes and asks jacob what's up with the boy, jacob says, he will be the new leader when the time comes. i think that jacob demanded the purge through ben both as a test of his strength and commitment, and to take out the DI finally as they have served their purpose to the island (bringing ben). Thus ben became the new leader of the others, still following orders from jacob, still working with richard as a guide and assistant in the background. the how and why of of widmore leaving is still a mystery.
so now enter john locke. when john says to ben to take him to jacob the first time he isnt scared about a backlash from jacob, he's scared that this means locke will take ben's place as the new leader. (maybe during his teen years he and richard went to talk to jacob who told him what he must do and thus signify he would be the new leader?) this is even more evident when he is surprised that john cant see jacob (he thought he was going to be able to) and then when he shoots john and demands to know what he heard from jacob. he is deadly afraid of loosing his leadership position in the others the way that he took it from widmore. to me this is very true as john has been prepped in many test of faith in the island, many trials, sacrifice (his dad) and personal sacrifice when he was going to kill himself as a conviction to the good of the island.
so why all the fuss to become the leader of the others? sure you get all the perks of island secrets, speaking latin, living in tents, talking to an old creepy dude in a cabin, and running around with a guy with 2 colored eyes. but what's the REAL significance to the leader role? i think that the island/jacob has a very powerful secret or power that it has been sitting (metaphorically or literally for quite some time). is this the fountain of youth? the secret of life? alien technology? atlantis? god like power? the holy grail? what ever it is i think this can only be given at a specific time and to the leader of the others, the leader of the ppl of island. events on the esland have changed in the past 20? years, jacob is getting ready to reveal this gift/power, but only to the leader, only to the chosen one. ben knows this. widmore knows this. they don't care about "protecting the island" or anything like that. they know this great secret is coming to surface and ! they are doing everything they can to return themselves as the leader of the others, the leader of the island. both of them, have been using john to keep get back in power and uncover this power when the time comes. the island/jacob selects leaders from time to time (if they pass the tests and trials) knowing that they will only be temporary unless they can pass the ultimate test. what is this test? knowing the true power/secret and not falling into the selfish qualities of humanity, but becoming more than a man, becoming a deity by choosing to give this gift up for the good of the world rather then themselves. this gift is a metaphorical forbidden fruit and to give this up easily, well that takes a special person, that takes john locke imo.
please help me find any holes or structure flaws pls as i am currently using this theory to base it onto many others in Lost. Theory by Darksideofthemoon87
