All this time we are focussed on the physical bodies of Jacob and his nemesis being who they are. But it really makes one think. Are these the original forms of these two spirits, or beings, or however you want to view them?
I read a good theory on here about the backgammon game John played with Walt. The producers said that the pilot episode had the ultimate clue about what the show was about. John mentioned that the game of backgammon has two sides, one light and one dark. And he told walt that his game had plastic dice, but the god's game had dice made of bones, meaning that they play with people.
Lets view this. Remember in the episode where Ben was being judged, and you saw the carving, which showed Anubis and the Smoke Monster almost facing off. If you really think of this, it's possible that these two gods or beings, have the ability to possess anyone who's body makes it to the island.
When you remember smokie scanning people, essentially, it looked almost like it was taking pictures, it has the ability to learn from you and take your form. And with the bodies of people like Yemi, Christian, and now Locke, you got a BIG hint from Miles a few episodes back. That all you need is the dead body to learn everything a person knew when they were alive. Miles has the same power as the smoke monster in essence, and I believe that learning this about Miles was only to hint at what's to come with this balance of the gods.
I wouldn't be surprised that the actual bodies of Jacob and his nemesis, aren't ALSO version 2.0 of someone who crashed landed on the island even centuries before the Black Rock, and the Jacob spirt inhabited the form of the blond guy, and the smoke monster inhabited the body of the dark haired guy.
It seems to me that the "game" these two play, is to outwit each other, based on their beliefs in humanity. Jacob obviously is the champion of freewill, and everything he does is to give someone the ability to "choose" and not interfere. This is how Ben did things too. Ben in essence performed in exactly the same way as Jacob. Quietly manipulated people, so the choice was theirs. The opposite is the dark haired man, his faith in humanity is lost. He believes that it's proper to judge humans, and force them to do things. Which is why he as the smoke monster (his true form) judges people, and kills them if he deems them not worthy. We know Jacob has a forgiving nature, as you can see that all these people he brought to the island were theives, murders, selfish, you name it. They are here to go through the island's trials at a chance of redemption. And the whole time, the opposing force, is judging them, and killing them at will. Not giving them a choice.
So if Jacob is the force who allows people to make the choice, it makes you think of all the manipulators we've seen in the past who seemed to want to influence others directly and not give them a choice. Abbadon being the first to come to mind. While working for Widmore, obviously Abbadon tried to *convince* Locke to go on the Walkabout. Apart from his physical dark appearance, and choice to be cast, it seems that this is the "dark" side. So if we go back, into all the people on the island who have manipulated our Losties and everyone else, it makes you think of all these manipulators, and them really being Jacob/nemesis just using the image of those you know... up to and including the older Widmore, Hawking, the Medium in Australia who Rose visited, Jill, and even Ben!!!! All of them.
Think about it, Ben gets shot and "killed" and Richard takes him to the Temple. Both Jacob and his nemesis are there, and now Ben is free game to have his form used by each one. Like Jacob and his nemesis are both sitting in a separate throne in the same room of the temple. So Jacob touches his forehead and Ben comes back to life. Now, the "Ben" of the Others... the one who "WANTS PEOPLE TO MAKE CHOICES" this sure sounds like Jacob's influence. Why is Ben like that then?
Now fast forward to 2007, this "Ben" we see gathering up the O6... I think the answers have been staring us in the face all along. Have you noticed the change in demeanor at all? Sometimes Ben seems to be confident, in a scary way, like Locke 2.0 when dealing with Sayid in 2007. This "Ben" is giving Sayid lists of people to kill. This sounds like the dark force using Ben's form to manipulate Sayid. This dark force trained Sayid as a killer, so that he could complete the time loop of making young Ben dead in 1977, giving him the body so he could become older Ben in 2007, who murders Locke, bringing yet ANOTHER body to the island, so he could take the form of. And in this instance, the REAL Ben, i.e. Human Ben, was plagued with feelings of inadequacy, and we know that this is what caused him to stike at the real Jacob. Richard whom I see as the neutral character maintaining the balance, had instructed Ben as the leader of the island. Richard I'm sure presented him with each o! ption, and Ben himself could have played the darkside just as well, but he didn't. and Ben actually on the surface, acted like he chose the Light path, believing in humanity and letting people make their own choices. But deep down he was a liar, working for the Dark side, physically manipulating people, killing people, and lying. He forced Juliet to stay and masked it as it being her choice. Ben was a corrupt leader, and it's why Jacob did not honor him at the end of the Season 5 finale. "What ABOUT you?!" as in "How DARE you say you honorably served me"
Which brings me to the magic box. The magic box could essentially be the same thing. A spirit manifestation by either the Dark or Light side of whatever you want. If Ben made a deal with the devil, the dark side, while walking as a light leader, the smoke monster IS the magic box. Ben asks for something, and the smoke monster turns into it. Just like Yemi, the horse, Dave, everyone... Anthony cooper died in the real world, and the body was learned about by the Dark side. The Anthony Cooper that Sawyer killed is a physical Anthony 2.0, just like this physical Locke 2.0 that we know is the dark side.
Which leads me to why Richard would want Locke to kill Anthony Cooper. That sounds neutral to me. Like Richard was orchestrating the setup, and Locke was to make the choice. At this point Richard knows from multiple places (Jack in 1977, John in 1954, etc..) that John is special. And Richard is to determine which side he's on. Will John Locke physicall judge Cooper himself, and strike the final bloe (be a dark side leader) or will he present the choice to someone else, like Sawyer, so Sawyer could make the choice (a light side leader)? John chooses the latter. Richard sees this act, however, seems to have much confusion about John, because the Locke as a child picked the knife on the table. This is the tool of the dark side. Richard as the neutral party seems to possibly be "excited" about John Locke. John may be the Neo who ends the war in the Matrix, the "One", the tool used to bring this light/dark side to an end and just end the war altogether for both sides. And it's wh! y when Richard see's Locke's body roll out of the coffin, he's got a disappointed look on his face. To quote Cypher "How can he be 'The One' if he's DEAD?!"
So this brings me to Horace. Horace was a dead body, and John Locke saw Horace building the cabin in his vision. Obviously being maniuplated by the smoke monster taking a form yet again. So why was Horace building the cabin to begin with? Is it possible that the DI itself was just another *try* from the Dark side to oust Jacob? The DI obiously has a huge part in the influence of Ben to the final moment of killing Jacob. This is why throughout history, we have things like pnuematic tubes going nowhere... the DI was a front, just to bring Ben in. The Valenzetti equation, everything... it's all part of the game. DI had to be started so Ben could kill Jacob.
"Do you know what I've been through" is what the dark nemesis said.
I'm sure it's a lot. There are a thousand ways you can do the lineups, or who represents who, but at the end, this "Blond Jacob" and "dark haired nemesis" are not necessarily the original bodies of these people. They are spirits. They are Anubis and that Smoke Monster that is seen in the carving of the Temple. They don't agree on how to deal with humanity, and they take which ever form needed to gently influence (in Jacob's case) or forcefully influence (in the Dark Side's case) people to the battlefield... to fight their war for them, since the Greater God does not allow them to kill each other.
This brings me to season 6. So Jacob in his dying breath says "They're coming" meaning one of two things. Either the members of the past 815'ers, whome Jacob has given pieces of himself (guitar case, pen, NKOTB lunchbox) will come back, representing him and destroy the Locke 2.0? Or, now that Jacob is dead, the dark side now has the ability to open the gates of hell and this warning message was actually to Ben. "Ben, they are coming" meaning that Locke 2.0 is about to unleash fury on the world now Jacob cannot stop him.
Illana and Bram seemed terrified to know that Jacob is about to die, and that whatever was trapped in the cabin by the ash is no longer in there. I don't think they were expecting to find the ash there. They know that the cabin had some other purpose, and that now the cabin was used as a prison. "Someone else has been using this." They know that ash can trap a God. So is it that at this point they see the ash, and are like "oh man, someone's trapped someone else, this can not be good"
As in, Are Bram and Illana, the "good guys," really the keepers of the balance. This would solidify my theory that there is a light side, a dark side, and a mediating side (just like Constantine, the movie). Richard they know is the gods choice for advisor, and they are telling him, and the Others, with the body of John Locke, that the balance is no longer in place, and that there will be a war.
So all this time, when Widmore talks about a "War" and Hawking talks about "God help us all" that they are each playing to a specific side? Hawking wants all of Jacob's choices on the plane. It's not the time travel she's worried about, it's making sure all the people whom Jacob chose get back by not forcing them. "God help us all" is basically that if Jacob can't get his influence in the past, every single one of them, then he will not be resurrected to stand up to the upcoming onslaught of the Dark Side after he is killed. It's as if Hawking knows that Jacob will soon be killed as she's talking to Jack and everyone else in the Lamppost. And the "time travel" trick is part of Jacob's plan to do something in the past to be resurrected or to prevent his own demise while not breaking the Light Side rules of "you can't directly manipulate people, you have to let them choose."
Man, I could keep going, but this is so awesome to think about. Season 5 ended beautifully, and I'm watching seasons 1 through 5 to try to make connections to this Light/Dark side, and who's influencing who. Every flashback, every single moment in the show, I'm going to try to place Jacob/Dark Haired Guy at the scene in different forms. This will hopefully keep me entertained during the hiatus lol.
I read a good theory on here about the backgammon game John played with Walt. The producers said that the pilot episode had the ultimate clue about what the show was about. John mentioned that the game of backgammon has two sides, one light and one dark. And he told walt that his game had plastic dice, but the god's game had dice made of bones, meaning that they play with people.
Lets view this. Remember in the episode where Ben was being judged, and you saw the carving, which showed Anubis and the Smoke Monster almost facing off. If you really think of this, it's possible that these two gods or beings, have the ability to possess anyone who's body makes it to the island.
When you remember smokie scanning people, essentially, it looked almost like it was taking pictures, it has the ability to learn from you and take your form. And with the bodies of people like Yemi, Christian, and now Locke, you got a BIG hint from Miles a few episodes back. That all you need is the dead body to learn everything a person knew when they were alive. Miles has the same power as the smoke monster in essence, and I believe that learning this about Miles was only to hint at what's to come with this balance of the gods.
I wouldn't be surprised that the actual bodies of Jacob and his nemesis, aren't ALSO version 2.0 of someone who crashed landed on the island even centuries before the Black Rock, and the Jacob spirt inhabited the form of the blond guy, and the smoke monster inhabited the body of the dark haired guy.
It seems to me that the "game" these two play, is to outwit each other, based on their beliefs in humanity. Jacob obviously is the champion of freewill, and everything he does is to give someone the ability to "choose" and not interfere. This is how Ben did things too. Ben in essence performed in exactly the same way as Jacob. Quietly manipulated people, so the choice was theirs. The opposite is the dark haired man, his faith in humanity is lost. He believes that it's proper to judge humans, and force them to do things. Which is why he as the smoke monster (his true form) judges people, and kills them if he deems them not worthy. We know Jacob has a forgiving nature, as you can see that all these people he brought to the island were theives, murders, selfish, you name it. They are here to go through the island's trials at a chance of redemption. And the whole time, the opposing force, is judging them, and killing them at will. Not giving them a choice.
So if Jacob is the force who allows people to make the choice, it makes you think of all the manipulators we've seen in the past who seemed to want to influence others directly and not give them a choice. Abbadon being the first to come to mind. While working for Widmore, obviously Abbadon tried to *convince* Locke to go on the Walkabout. Apart from his physical dark appearance, and choice to be cast, it seems that this is the "dark" side. So if we go back, into all the people on the island who have manipulated our Losties and everyone else, it makes you think of all these manipulators, and them really being Jacob/nemesis just using the image of those you know... up to and including the older Widmore, Hawking, the Medium in Australia who Rose visited, Jill, and even Ben!!!! All of them.
Think about it, Ben gets shot and "killed" and Richard takes him to the Temple. Both Jacob and his nemesis are there, and now Ben is free game to have his form used by each one. Like Jacob and his nemesis are both sitting in a separate throne in the same room of the temple. So Jacob touches his forehead and Ben comes back to life. Now, the "Ben" of the Others... the one who "WANTS PEOPLE TO MAKE CHOICES" this sure sounds like Jacob's influence. Why is Ben like that then?
Now fast forward to 2007, this "Ben" we see gathering up the O6... I think the answers have been staring us in the face all along. Have you noticed the change in demeanor at all? Sometimes Ben seems to be confident, in a scary way, like Locke 2.0 when dealing with Sayid in 2007. This "Ben" is giving Sayid lists of people to kill. This sounds like the dark force using Ben's form to manipulate Sayid. This dark force trained Sayid as a killer, so that he could complete the time loop of making young Ben dead in 1977, giving him the body so he could become older Ben in 2007, who murders Locke, bringing yet ANOTHER body to the island, so he could take the form of. And in this instance, the REAL Ben, i.e. Human Ben, was plagued with feelings of inadequacy, and we know that this is what caused him to stike at the real Jacob. Richard whom I see as the neutral character maintaining the balance, had instructed Ben as the leader of the island. Richard I'm sure presented him with each o! ption, and Ben himself could have played the darkside just as well, but he didn't. and Ben actually on the surface, acted like he chose the Light path, believing in humanity and letting people make their own choices. But deep down he was a liar, working for the Dark side, physically manipulating people, killing people, and lying. He forced Juliet to stay and masked it as it being her choice. Ben was a corrupt leader, and it's why Jacob did not honor him at the end of the Season 5 finale. "What ABOUT you?!" as in "How DARE you say you honorably served me"
Which brings me to the magic box. The magic box could essentially be the same thing. A spirit manifestation by either the Dark or Light side of whatever you want. If Ben made a deal with the devil, the dark side, while walking as a light leader, the smoke monster IS the magic box. Ben asks for something, and the smoke monster turns into it. Just like Yemi, the horse, Dave, everyone... Anthony cooper died in the real world, and the body was learned about by the Dark side. The Anthony Cooper that Sawyer killed is a physical Anthony 2.0, just like this physical Locke 2.0 that we know is the dark side.
Which leads me to why Richard would want Locke to kill Anthony Cooper. That sounds neutral to me. Like Richard was orchestrating the setup, and Locke was to make the choice. At this point Richard knows from multiple places (Jack in 1977, John in 1954, etc..) that John is special. And Richard is to determine which side he's on. Will John Locke physicall judge Cooper himself, and strike the final bloe (be a dark side leader) or will he present the choice to someone else, like Sawyer, so Sawyer could make the choice (a light side leader)? John chooses the latter. Richard sees this act, however, seems to have much confusion about John, because the Locke as a child picked the knife on the table. This is the tool of the dark side. Richard as the neutral party seems to possibly be "excited" about John Locke. John may be the Neo who ends the war in the Matrix, the "One", the tool used to bring this light/dark side to an end and just end the war altogether for both sides. And it's wh! y when Richard see's Locke's body roll out of the coffin, he's got a disappointed look on his face. To quote Cypher "How can he be 'The One' if he's DEAD?!"
So this brings me to Horace. Horace was a dead body, and John Locke saw Horace building the cabin in his vision. Obviously being maniuplated by the smoke monster taking a form yet again. So why was Horace building the cabin to begin with? Is it possible that the DI itself was just another *try* from the Dark side to oust Jacob? The DI obiously has a huge part in the influence of Ben to the final moment of killing Jacob. This is why throughout history, we have things like pnuematic tubes going nowhere... the DI was a front, just to bring Ben in. The Valenzetti equation, everything... it's all part of the game. DI had to be started so Ben could kill Jacob.
"Do you know what I've been through" is what the dark nemesis said.
I'm sure it's a lot. There are a thousand ways you can do the lineups, or who represents who, but at the end, this "Blond Jacob" and "dark haired nemesis" are not necessarily the original bodies of these people. They are spirits. They are Anubis and that Smoke Monster that is seen in the carving of the Temple. They don't agree on how to deal with humanity, and they take which ever form needed to gently influence (in Jacob's case) or forcefully influence (in the Dark Side's case) people to the battlefield... to fight their war for them, since the Greater God does not allow them to kill each other.
This brings me to season 6. So Jacob in his dying breath says "They're coming" meaning one of two things. Either the members of the past 815'ers, whome Jacob has given pieces of himself (guitar case, pen, NKOTB lunchbox) will come back, representing him and destroy the Locke 2.0? Or, now that Jacob is dead, the dark side now has the ability to open the gates of hell and this warning message was actually to Ben. "Ben, they are coming" meaning that Locke 2.0 is about to unleash fury on the world now Jacob cannot stop him.
Illana and Bram seemed terrified to know that Jacob is about to die, and that whatever was trapped in the cabin by the ash is no longer in there. I don't think they were expecting to find the ash there. They know that the cabin had some other purpose, and that now the cabin was used as a prison. "Someone else has been using this." They know that ash can trap a God. So is it that at this point they see the ash, and are like "oh man, someone's trapped someone else, this can not be good"
As in, Are Bram and Illana, the "good guys," really the keepers of the balance. This would solidify my theory that there is a light side, a dark side, and a mediating side (just like Constantine, the movie). Richard they know is the gods choice for advisor, and they are telling him, and the Others, with the body of John Locke, that the balance is no longer in place, and that there will be a war.
So all this time, when Widmore talks about a "War" and Hawking talks about "God help us all" that they are each playing to a specific side? Hawking wants all of Jacob's choices on the plane. It's not the time travel she's worried about, it's making sure all the people whom Jacob chose get back by not forcing them. "God help us all" is basically that if Jacob can't get his influence in the past, every single one of them, then he will not be resurrected to stand up to the upcoming onslaught of the Dark Side after he is killed. It's as if Hawking knows that Jacob will soon be killed as she's talking to Jack and everyone else in the Lamppost. And the "time travel" trick is part of Jacob's plan to do something in the past to be resurrected or to prevent his own demise while not breaking the Light Side rules of "you can't directly manipulate people, you have to let them choose."
Man, I could keep going, but this is so awesome to think about. Season 5 ended beautifully, and I'm watching seasons 1 through 5 to try to make connections to this Light/Dark side, and who's influencing who. Every flashback, every single moment in the show, I'm going to try to place Jacob/Dark Haired Guy at the scene in different forms. This will hopefully keep me entertained during the hiatus lol.
