I apologize up front if this theory has already been submitted.
I have been, like others, curious about what the producers said regarding potential clues in the Pilot episode. Many others have submitted theories about Jack in jungle, possible baton near Jack,backgammon games, etc. After watching the pilot again after Season 4 finale, the clue seems obvious and involves the whereabouts of key charaters right after the crash.
Where was Jack? Jack woke up away from the crash and had to run to the beach to get to the crash site.
Where was Kate? Kate walked out of the jungle and met Jack nursing his wound.
Where was Hurley? Hurley wasn't seen running around the crash site. He sort of appeared to Jack when Jack was attending to Claire -- looking like he too just arrived at the site. He was traveling alone, so there was no other survivors calling out his name.
Where was Sayid? He wasn't seen until later that evening lighting a signal fire. He also was traveling alone, so there was no other survivors calling out his name.
Where was Sun? Sun wasn't seen around the site and we saw Jin calling out her name -- strange since they were traveling together and should have been next to each other after the crash.
Where was Aaron? Well, obviously inside Claire. Or was he? Claire mentioned that her baby hadn't moved since the crash.
Where was Walt? We didn't see him either although we saw Michael calling out for him. Also strange since they were traveling together.
Where was Locke? We initially saw him flat on his back and not moving. Very similar to the position he was when we last saw him in the coffin at season 4 finale.
All of these people are off the island at the end of season 4 -- the Oceanic 6, Walt, and Locke. And, according to Ben, all of these people need to go back to the island.
I know others have said the same thing -- but what if Oceanic 6, Walt, and Locke return to the island by going back in time to the crash using some electromagnetic/time traveling mechanism (after all, this is LOST).
What about Ben though? He, too, is off the island and we are told he can't return. I believe he can't because he is still on the island. When the donkey wheel was turned, the island was moved in time (probably space too) back to the Dharma Initiative days when Ben was already on the island.
What if Ben continues to relive the same life on the island over and over again. He becomes the leader of Others, 815 crashes,manipulation of the losties, eventually moves the island again and relives the same events. This seems to explain why Ben always has a plan -- because he has been thru the events already.
I thought this kind of sucks. I certainly don't want LOST to end where it began. Something must be different this time the losties crash. Then I realize why I think Ben would do something different then next time losties return. Because Widmore changed the rules! Everytime Ben relives his life on the island, Alex never dies. But this time she did!
The next time the losties return via 815 crash, Ben will finally do things differently. He will break the rules! He will enlist the help of the losties and finally break his recurring life on the island...
Theory by Craig Duval
I have been, like others, curious about what the producers said regarding potential clues in the Pilot episode. Many others have submitted theories about Jack in jungle, possible baton near Jack,backgammon games, etc. After watching the pilot again after Season 4 finale, the clue seems obvious and involves the whereabouts of key charaters right after the crash.
Where was Jack? Jack woke up away from the crash and had to run to the beach to get to the crash site.
Where was Kate? Kate walked out of the jungle and met Jack nursing his wound.
Where was Hurley? Hurley wasn't seen running around the crash site. He sort of appeared to Jack when Jack was attending to Claire -- looking like he too just arrived at the site. He was traveling alone, so there was no other survivors calling out his name.
Where was Sayid? He wasn't seen until later that evening lighting a signal fire. He also was traveling alone, so there was no other survivors calling out his name.
Where was Sun? Sun wasn't seen around the site and we saw Jin calling out her name -- strange since they were traveling together and should have been next to each other after the crash.
Where was Aaron? Well, obviously inside Claire. Or was he? Claire mentioned that her baby hadn't moved since the crash.
Where was Walt? We didn't see him either although we saw Michael calling out for him. Also strange since they were traveling together.
Where was Locke? We initially saw him flat on his back and not moving. Very similar to the position he was when we last saw him in the coffin at season 4 finale.
All of these people are off the island at the end of season 4 -- the Oceanic 6, Walt, and Locke. And, according to Ben, all of these people need to go back to the island.
I know others have said the same thing -- but what if Oceanic 6, Walt, and Locke return to the island by going back in time to the crash using some electromagnetic/time traveling mechanism (after all, this is LOST).
What about Ben though? He, too, is off the island and we are told he can't return. I believe he can't because he is still on the island. When the donkey wheel was turned, the island was moved in time (probably space too) back to the Dharma Initiative days when Ben was already on the island.
What if Ben continues to relive the same life on the island over and over again. He becomes the leader of Others, 815 crashes,manipulation of the losties, eventually moves the island again and relives the same events. This seems to explain why Ben always has a plan -- because he has been thru the events already.
I thought this kind of sucks. I certainly don't want LOST to end where it began. Something must be different this time the losties crash. Then I realize why I think Ben would do something different then next time losties return. Because Widmore changed the rules! Everytime Ben relives his life on the island, Alex never dies. But this time she did!
The next time the losties return via 815 crash, Ben will finally do things differently. He will break the rules! He will enlist the help of the losties and finally break his recurring life on the island...
Theory by Craig Duval
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what i find so interesting about this theory, is that it completely ties in with the game lost. wich has the same ending as what your theory has, they relive the plane crash, but with a different outcome.
i think it will end the way it began aswell, but slightly different, also making you wonder if the pilot was a reliving as well. There are things that contradict this, like stuff just wouldnt have happened if they knew it was going to happen already, and jack wouldnt still be a man of science with knowledge of the future, and the fact that he just traveled through time. I think the pilot episode alone, apart from everything that followed is the oceanic 6 locke and walt returning, everything after the pilot was the first time. I dont know why they would do this, but it seems like thats whats going on, like you mentioned everyones positioning after the crash....veeerrry interesting.
It's intersting to go back at watch the pilot after knowing what we now know.
I have even thought that in White Rabbit when Jack finds the coffin and hacks it up, he was checking for Locke. We assume that it's his dad's, but do we really know? He could be checking to make sure that the Locke he sees on the beach is really dead Locke back to life. And when Locke is shown to be wiggling his toes, it could be he is seeing that he is now alive.
Or we could be looking for signs that don't exist. This is why I love this show!
Very observant.
I agree - Lost will end as it began. I actually like the thought that they will have to get back there by crashing once again. They know that it would pose no danger to them because the island will not let them die.
Lostis about getting 2nd chances. The idea of reliving something that happened previously follows along with that theme.
I think this theory could be spot on :D Especially when you name all the positions.
There are still some things that the writers must explain though: why they seem to not know that they have been there before.
Desmond, maibe he's adam and eve is penny?
And I'm guessing Frank will have some role: but how? I thought he may be flying the O6 back, as he was supposed to fly oceanic 815. But then it's weird that he isn't in the cockpit. But the fact that the monster very violently killed the pilot, it seems like it was also suspecting and hoping for someone else (frank) and was angry that he wasn't there.
Annebeth, you raise some good questions.
I think that Frank WILL have to be the pilot this time around. But what about Desmond? Will he have to "crash" the plane once again?
Thanks Maria!
I just rewatched the first scene. You know WHAT could be the significant thing? The very first SOUND!! You know what it sounds like? Kinda like a flashback sound :D
But the thing I still find strange is the way Jack looks quite some time to the right when he comes out of the jungle. Allmost if he expects something there. Imagine you're Jack, and all the noise and cries for help are on the left, and you look to the right sort of apathically. Why? And also, the sound is weird in the beginning. Maibe Jack has some temporary hearing problem like Charlie had when the failsafe key was turned?
I don't understand why the O6 people would be seperate if they're all traveling back in time. I mean, are you purposing that they physically are traveling back, or that they're consciousness is traveling back to the time of the crash? If its physical, then wouldn't there be some sort of paradox since they're traveling to a time they've already been to? And if its mental, then wouldn't they remember the whole thing, including each other? Doesn't work for me. Partly because I don't want it to be true.
It's fun to speculate wildly, but I seriously doubt that any of this theory is close to the truth.
the "missing clue in the pilot episode" thing is an internet rumour that was debunked by damon and carlton, and by gregg nations at the fuselage
also, why is it strange that people sitting next to each other on a flight aren't next to each other after their plane splits in two, cartwheels through a jungle, and crashes on a beach? wouldn't it be stranger if they landed next to each other?
I totally agree with your theory! I've been turning the same one over and over in my mind since the Des centric epi called "Flashes Before Your Eyes".
S4 validated this theory for me on a number of points: Locke in the box (in the finale, plus the empty casket in S1) and Benry's Time Traveling Telescopic Baton (in the Pilot epi next to Jack in the opening, again when Ben is with Locke at the Orchid and again when Ben appears in the Sahara Desert in his Dharma Parka) are two good examples.
Thanks for posting this! I don't feel so LOST and alone in chasing down freakishly weird mind wanderings! If you want to see my version,check it at http://technoprep.blogspot.com/ I've credited you and added a link to your post.
not 100% sure but i think you will find the coffin that lands on the island is black and the one locke is in is brown.
First off, there is no pilot clue. This has been said time and time again.
However I like that you pointed out that the O6, were not seen around the wreckage.
But Lost won't end like that. I highly doubt they would use the ending of Via Domus as the end of the show. That's just lazy.
But I do agree that Ben has lived through it all before.
Another thing to think about is Desmond in "The Constant" We all saw his consciousness go back in time; so the question is, did the time-traveling Desmond have full knowledge of what is to transpire? He obviously has some sort of knowledge so that he was able to instruct Penny to answer the phone 3 or 4 years in the future. My point with this is that the next four years of his life worked out the exact same, despite the knowledge of what was to happen. Desmond could have very easily just not competed in that race, stayed away from the Island all together, but he didn't. He still ended up there, causing the course of action to remain constant. Daniel does tell him that we cannot change history, so perhaps that is it. The Oceanic 6 maybe reliving this whole ordeal, yet they are unable to make different choices as they would change history.
i actually was thinking along the same lines. In the piolet Jack asks kate to sew him up and she says "of course i will" even when i first watched the episode i thought the way she said it was odd like she knew him. So yes i agree with you 100%
Sounds very similar to Swiks theory
What echoecho and nicole said is true. Darlton did debunk the theory that there was a missed clue in the pilot. But that doesn't mean there wasn't one.
The missing clue was the black baton lying on the ground next to Jack's head in the opening scene of the series pilot. It looks an awful lot like the baton Ben used to turn the frozen donkey wheel at the end of S4. Darlton wouldn't have given confirmation of the missing clue in a podcast that was recorded and aired about a year before the S4 season finale, even if they knew about it being a "missed clue."
That isn't Ben's "baton" next to Jack's head in The Pilot; the still picture has been blown up and magnified by many people, it looks nothing like Ben's weapon, it's merely some sort of bamboo and it's the size of Jacks head. If there is in fact a clue in The Pilot, this isn't it.
I agree with everyone who doesn't want this theory to turn out to be true. I think it would be a horrible horrible HORRIBLE let down, because this show has been EXPERT at totally catching us all off guard, constantly, without fail. (I've come to just believe that anyone who says, "I knew that they were gonna do that," the morning after each new episode airs is totally lying.) For them to not have a SUBSTANTIAL and MIND-BLOWING ending planned for this show...for them to go totally and utterly cliche...would just be the biggest short-coming and failure in TV History. This might as well all have been a dream, or the goings-on in an autistic child's mind as he plays with a snow globe. This show IS and DESERVES better than "Hey, they all wound up at the beginning...AGAIN...and THIS TIME they remember everything..." PLUS...the one thing that Damon and Carlton have definitely said, repeatedly, is the NO ONE has come close to a complete theory that is actually correct because WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE NECESSARY INFORMATION...I guarantee that there are going to be questions right up until the series finale...and even then, we probably won't get EVERYTHING...
At this point, I really just want to know what the Smoke Monster is...
No, it's not Ben's baton next to Jack's head in the Pilot episode. It's the tire iron Ben used to clear the ice from the frozen donkey wheel. Before someone says, "It's too small to be the tire iron"...it is partially covered by leaves and other debris. I'm sure Ben left it for the next person who would move the island, namely Jack. That's probably how S6 will end...Jack moving the island to avoid whatever threat the island faces during his tenure. Moving the island back to where it was at the beginning of S1...starting the never-ending cycle all over again.
good theory, but I don´t think, that it will be so, but i think, that it will be similar, but there will be different things and it will be in different time.
I do agree with your theory, but I think that only "special" people are able to keep their memory after time traveling. And even them, only some of their memory will be kept. That's why Locke can predict the weather and why Walt told Locke not to "open it". But the 06 Sayid, Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun & Aaron (unless Aaron is special) will not have memories of the future.
Also I don't think it will end where it began with Jack waking up in the jungle, but I think that will still be in the show, more likely I think that would be the opening shot of Season 6 with the rest of that season showing how Ben will act differently now that the rules have changed.