Alright people, time for another one of my theories. I've been really blown away by the amount of attention the time travel aspect of the show, which has given us a lot to theorize over. In one camp we have the "What Ever Happened Happened" group and in the other we have the "Variable" group. Now this theory builds a bit on my last post about the fail-safe and how I believe it was one of the key elements to the hatch/jughead paradox (ie. how turning the key was able to implode the hatch or make the blast travel through time). I've theorized the cast turns into ghosts cause they all get blown up, which as we know, still is a HUGE possibility and brilliant way to resolve the whispers mystery, but my new theory also puts a few other things into perspective.
I think the producers have given us clues in dialogue in the show that has both been able to help us understand what's happening, and at the same time throw us off of the "rules" they've established. As we KNOW, the producers lied about the show containing time travel, or that hydra island wouldn't be revisited, and other such events (not a complaint, cause it's funny that we actually believe EVERYTHING they say as cannon when they very well could be making it up to throw us off for being smart and guessing it), and yet this season has shown us multiple instances where they DID happen. So when I hear the producers or people throw out the time travel "rules" theory, I think now it's a bit of a premature judgment on what we know.
You see, one moment we have Faraday telling us that you can't change the past, and then the next minute he's saying YOU CAN. I like to believe in true LOST fashion that he honestly was just telling them what they needed to hear so they'd carry out the Incident, but at the same time you have to stop and think about two things. One, that we assume that them being in the past means they're on the same timeline as what we've seen so far for the main characters in season 1. And Two, that events can't be effected as much as altered, but course correction will ALWAYS take the "Final Destination" approach and make sure it happens (delaying Charlie's death for instance) eventually.
You see at the same time we see/hear this on the show, like watching Eloise loop her own son's fate throughout time, we also see an interesting paradox that arises (compass). The fact of the matter is, is that a lot of people have been assuming that time moves in a strait line, instead of the "Back to the Future" approach (fill me in cause I may have heard this briefly mentioned before in other theories, not trying to take full credit). What I mean is that let's say the show start's at season 1, where the crash happens as a result to the incident in the past or assuming that we're not actually witnessing the beginning of the narrative. This is the WHH approach. The events of season 5 create the events of season 1. But here's a funny thing to realize, that's only assuming that time HASN'T been bending.
When they're in the past Miles states how they CAN DIE cause they themselves in the DHARMA days aren't effected by the paradox. There's no time contradiction if Miles as an adult dies in the past cause the baby is the only thing that needs to live. But here's a funny way of looking at this too. We also assume by what Faraday said, that by detonating Jughead time would reset so 815 would land in LAX. But guess what...the laws of the past and their mortality are STILL in effect. Juliet is the person who shows this. Come one we all know there's no way in HELL Juliet would have normally survived that fall with the incident breaching metal and everything (or if she DID she should have been unconscious), but instead what do we get? The course correcting by some freaking miracle saves her and allows her to detonate the bomb. She was SUPPOSED to do this.
This is where I go into the realm of either a discovery or receive a lot of flaming...but what if their actions almost acts like a figure 8 in time. Being one of the numbers, I feel there is a reason that 8 was chosen. Look at it...two perfect circles intersecting forever in a loop. When they meet in the middle there's no start or end, but you can trace your finger into a different path and still end up at the same spot. What am I getting at you ask? Simply put I'm saying that they're all idiots for assuming that the bomb going off would instantly change the freaking future or that they would just not exist. You see this was the funny thing that happened, they never considered that they are on their OWN timeline and not on the one that their PAST selves are on. Their future isn't a new altered one, it's happening for the first time. There's only ONE timeline, but that doesn't mean the detonation would alter it. If they died and the plane never crashed you completely get a ti! me paradox that makes no sense to anything, it just wouldn't happen cause they would have altered the very reason the bomb went off in the first place, because the 815'ers traveled back TO DO IT. The bomb NEEDED to go off. They also failed to realize that the island could easily STOP the bomb blast.
Look what we've seen. Mikhail survived stuff like crazy until he NEEDED to die, Michael was STOPED from being killed till he COULD die, Locke on the island was practically bulletproof, and Ben's gotten the snot kicked out of him a million times. But that doesn't mean Ben could be killed by the "rules". Ben couldn't kill Charles Widmore, because of the time paradox it would create or the fact that the universe would just do something to stop him.
Then you have the people back on the island in the present (or 2007 in the show's case). Either there are production errors, or like we've seen, the past was effected by what the barracks looked like with Dharma signs or the game room. Things do seem different. Even though Richard remembered Locke and all he just acted too weird about seeing the photograph and not recognizing the losties and being like ‘Oh wow I had full bios on all of them including SAWYER/LAFLEUR, and didn’t even think that I’ve seen them in the past and present” (a fact that a lot of people also have seemed to notice). We also hear the numbers being transmitted differently when Ajira lands...
Once more it's not that it's altered time per say, but when Ajira came back and got stuck in the purple light, something obviously happened besides the Losties getting thrown back the 70's. I mean 815 broke in three mid air, yet Ajira was completely in intact. Divine intervention or different happening (as in Ajira was brought to the island cause it was in it's path versus Desmond crashing 815)?
So what do I really mean in the end. Are the Ajira people in an alternate time...no, that's not what I'm trying to get at. I do want to point out the weirdness but then again like I said, it's probably production errors...or the producers very well CAN be lying about alternate timelines. Or what if Ajira is brought into the timeline the Losties are on…not an alternate one per say but one where what happened to the Losties happened, thus showing my figure 8 hypothesis, and why they’d NOW be in a DHARMA picture.
At the same time, when the bomb is detonated by Juliet, if the island WANTS TO IT CAN STOP THEM FROM DYING...by what end we still don't know. But then again if they did die and the bomb created the incident, they would still be on a path that wouldn't be going against the flow of time. They didn't create a paradox like they thought simply because they blew up the bomb. And if some change DID happen...they would still be dead in that scenario. If the island was blown up they'd still be dead and ghosts. It wouldn't reset anything cause it would be THEIR strait, one timeline path that they'd now witness. I'm no physicist, but to me the pocket of energy is definitely the worst possible place they could have detonated the bomb to destroy the island. They SAVED it by blowing it up at the site. And whatever happens to THEM...WELL IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. THAT MEAN THEY PROBABLY GET TO SEE THE EVENTS OF THE NEXT 30 YEARS PLAY OUT AS GHOSTS!
Did I lose you guys in the end there lol? PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD!!!
I think the producers have given us clues in dialogue in the show that has both been able to help us understand what's happening, and at the same time throw us off of the "rules" they've established. As we KNOW, the producers lied about the show containing time travel, or that hydra island wouldn't be revisited, and other such events (not a complaint, cause it's funny that we actually believe EVERYTHING they say as cannon when they very well could be making it up to throw us off for being smart and guessing it), and yet this season has shown us multiple instances where they DID happen. So when I hear the producers or people throw out the time travel "rules" theory, I think now it's a bit of a premature judgment on what we know.
You see, one moment we have Faraday telling us that you can't change the past, and then the next minute he's saying YOU CAN. I like to believe in true LOST fashion that he honestly was just telling them what they needed to hear so they'd carry out the Incident, but at the same time you have to stop and think about two things. One, that we assume that them being in the past means they're on the same timeline as what we've seen so far for the main characters in season 1. And Two, that events can't be effected as much as altered, but course correction will ALWAYS take the "Final Destination" approach and make sure it happens (delaying Charlie's death for instance) eventually.
You see at the same time we see/hear this on the show, like watching Eloise loop her own son's fate throughout time, we also see an interesting paradox that arises (compass). The fact of the matter is, is that a lot of people have been assuming that time moves in a strait line, instead of the "Back to the Future" approach (fill me in cause I may have heard this briefly mentioned before in other theories, not trying to take full credit). What I mean is that let's say the show start's at season 1, where the crash happens as a result to the incident in the past or assuming that we're not actually witnessing the beginning of the narrative. This is the WHH approach. The events of season 5 create the events of season 1. But here's a funny thing to realize, that's only assuming that time HASN'T been bending.
When they're in the past Miles states how they CAN DIE cause they themselves in the DHARMA days aren't effected by the paradox. There's no time contradiction if Miles as an adult dies in the past cause the baby is the only thing that needs to live. But here's a funny way of looking at this too. We also assume by what Faraday said, that by detonating Jughead time would reset so 815 would land in LAX. But guess what...the laws of the past and their mortality are STILL in effect. Juliet is the person who shows this. Come one we all know there's no way in HELL Juliet would have normally survived that fall with the incident breaching metal and everything (or if she DID she should have been unconscious), but instead what do we get? The course correcting by some freaking miracle saves her and allows her to detonate the bomb. She was SUPPOSED to do this.
This is where I go into the realm of either a discovery or receive a lot of flaming...but what if their actions almost acts like a figure 8 in time. Being one of the numbers, I feel there is a reason that 8 was chosen. Look at it...two perfect circles intersecting forever in a loop. When they meet in the middle there's no start or end, but you can trace your finger into a different path and still end up at the same spot. What am I getting at you ask? Simply put I'm saying that they're all idiots for assuming that the bomb going off would instantly change the freaking future or that they would just not exist. You see this was the funny thing that happened, they never considered that they are on their OWN timeline and not on the one that their PAST selves are on. Their future isn't a new altered one, it's happening for the first time. There's only ONE timeline, but that doesn't mean the detonation would alter it. If they died and the plane never crashed you completely get a ti! me paradox that makes no sense to anything, it just wouldn't happen cause they would have altered the very reason the bomb went off in the first place, because the 815'ers traveled back TO DO IT. The bomb NEEDED to go off. They also failed to realize that the island could easily STOP the bomb blast.
Look what we've seen. Mikhail survived stuff like crazy until he NEEDED to die, Michael was STOPED from being killed till he COULD die, Locke on the island was practically bulletproof, and Ben's gotten the snot kicked out of him a million times. But that doesn't mean Ben could be killed by the "rules". Ben couldn't kill Charles Widmore, because of the time paradox it would create or the fact that the universe would just do something to stop him.
Then you have the people back on the island in the present (or 2007 in the show's case). Either there are production errors, or like we've seen, the past was effected by what the barracks looked like with Dharma signs or the game room. Things do seem different. Even though Richard remembered Locke and all he just acted too weird about seeing the photograph and not recognizing the losties and being like ‘Oh wow I had full bios on all of them including SAWYER/LAFLEUR, and didn’t even think that I’ve seen them in the past and present” (a fact that a lot of people also have seemed to notice). We also hear the numbers being transmitted differently when Ajira lands...
Once more it's not that it's altered time per say, but when Ajira came back and got stuck in the purple light, something obviously happened besides the Losties getting thrown back the 70's. I mean 815 broke in three mid air, yet Ajira was completely in intact. Divine intervention or different happening (as in Ajira was brought to the island cause it was in it's path versus Desmond crashing 815)?
So what do I really mean in the end. Are the Ajira people in an alternate time...no, that's not what I'm trying to get at. I do want to point out the weirdness but then again like I said, it's probably production errors...or the producers very well CAN be lying about alternate timelines. Or what if Ajira is brought into the timeline the Losties are on…not an alternate one per say but one where what happened to the Losties happened, thus showing my figure 8 hypothesis, and why they’d NOW be in a DHARMA picture.
At the same time, when the bomb is detonated by Juliet, if the island WANTS TO IT CAN STOP THEM FROM DYING...by what end we still don't know. But then again if they did die and the bomb created the incident, they would still be on a path that wouldn't be going against the flow of time. They didn't create a paradox like they thought simply because they blew up the bomb. And if some change DID happen...they would still be dead in that scenario. If the island was blown up they'd still be dead and ghosts. It wouldn't reset anything cause it would be THEIR strait, one timeline path that they'd now witness. I'm no physicist, but to me the pocket of energy is definitely the worst possible place they could have detonated the bomb to destroy the island. They SAVED it by blowing it up at the site. And whatever happens to THEM...WELL IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. THAT MEAN THEY PROBABLY GET TO SEE THE EVENTS OF THE NEXT 30 YEARS PLAY OUT AS GHOSTS!
Did I lose you guys in the end there lol? PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD!!!