So we’re back to WHH vs. ALT. I tend to be one who isn’t invested in either side and am just enjoying the ride of the show. However, my impression is that WHH is the rule up until a certain point. Then some event occurred to make time loop on the island. Eloise, Widmore and perhaps Jacob and MIB know about this. And at least Eloise and Widmore are trying to fix the situation, partly through Daniel. My guess is the first iteration started with the incident without the bomb.
At this point Eloise and Widmore are on the island and may have access to Jacob. Eventually they both leave and Eloise gives birth to Daniel. Eloise and Widmore recognize Daniel’s abilities and push him into doing experiments with time travel. Eventually Daniel goes to the island and starts trying to fix things. But WHH and time continues to loop on the island.
At some point Jacob steps in and helps by visiting and touching our losties, thus bringing them to the island. Now I don’t know if they have been looping for awhile too. I haven’t watched that much to know. But I am assuming that in season six there will be a resolution of the loop and WHH will stop.
Eloise says as much just after 316 takes off for the island when she says that for the first time she doesn’t know what happens. So to me, something significant has changed. I just don’t know what that is. A guess: it’s taking Locke’s body back to the island. Or maybe Ben never went back before. I can’t remember if Eloise knows he was on the plane. But we do know that MIB now has found his loophole to kill Jacob, and Ben and Locke are involved.
A side note: I keep wondering why the location of Ben’s wound (when he’s shot by Sayid) changes from 1 episode to the next. That’s just too big to be a continuity error. Anyway I can’t make sense of it. Maybe someone else can.
I think some of the answers lie in Faraday’s Journal. I wrote a theory about it awhile back and am including it again for reference.
Check out this link to Faraday’s Journal where he diagrams Time and Space
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4566/vlcsnap160131it1.png
I opened the link and wrote the theory in word next to it so I could try to be accurate. If you are interested I suggest you copy the theory onto word or similar application and place it beside the notebook page. It will make more sense then.
I have labeled what I think are significant lines 1,2 and 3 and the important circles, A,B,C and D. The letters make a rectangle. These letters and numbers are not on the map, but I included them for, hopefully, better understanding. So here goes.
6 lines start from the same circle in the upper left corner (A) of the page. 4 Start at a circle (B) a little lower from the right corner. There is a circle (C) in the lower right and (D) on the lower left. Real Time is a straight line that goes from (A) to a circle (C) on the lower right and intersects with the space-time line on the way. It does not encounter any other circles. There are 2 Imaginary Time lines, one starting from A and one from (B). One (1) ends at the same circle (C) as the as Real Time line and crosses the Space-Time line It does not encounter any other circles on the way to (C). The other (2) ends up at another circle, then goes to the same destination (C) as real time, crossing the space-time line on the way. However, it (2) can veer off, ending at the lower left circle (D). Once there, it can make a sharp right turn, ending at the same circle (C) (destination) as the real time line. Unless that imaginary time line (2) veers towards the same ! destination as all the other time lines, it does not intersect with the space-time line and stops at (D).
Now, there is one line (3) on the far left of the page that intersects once with a circle and ends at what I call circle (D) directly below that circle. It does not intersect with the space-time line, so maybe it exists outside of space-time. However, that line (3) could also make a sharp right at (D) and head towards (C), the circle on the right where all the other lines end up. I think it is at this circle (D) where free will comes into play. Those who are there can either stay at that destination (D) or head toward the final destination (C) where all the other time lines end. I think (D) could represent the Island, outside space and time and our losties can either stay there or head to the ultimate destination. The decision will be theirs.
If these are time lines, I think the circles are the times Daniel has gone to so he can change things. But if you look at the page, all lines but one (3) lead to the same destination (C). So even if he changes something, the outcome is the same. This implies to me that Daniel keeps coming to the island, tries to change things, dies, his young mother gets his notebook, keeps it until he graduates, and gives it to him to try again. All we ever see is the first page. I think Daniel does travel through time to change things and then he makes revisions on the page or in the notebook. But so far in the series, WHH. Small changes do occur, but WHH. (we have seen evidence of this as Desomond tries to save Charlie.) I think his or Elle’s hope is to make a change in the final outcome. It is this change that we viewers will get to see as the series enters its final series.
At this point Eloise and Widmore are on the island and may have access to Jacob. Eventually they both leave and Eloise gives birth to Daniel. Eloise and Widmore recognize Daniel’s abilities and push him into doing experiments with time travel. Eventually Daniel goes to the island and starts trying to fix things. But WHH and time continues to loop on the island.
At some point Jacob steps in and helps by visiting and touching our losties, thus bringing them to the island. Now I don’t know if they have been looping for awhile too. I haven’t watched that much to know. But I am assuming that in season six there will be a resolution of the loop and WHH will stop.
Eloise says as much just after 316 takes off for the island when she says that for the first time she doesn’t know what happens. So to me, something significant has changed. I just don’t know what that is. A guess: it’s taking Locke’s body back to the island. Or maybe Ben never went back before. I can’t remember if Eloise knows he was on the plane. But we do know that MIB now has found his loophole to kill Jacob, and Ben and Locke are involved.
A side note: I keep wondering why the location of Ben’s wound (when he’s shot by Sayid) changes from 1 episode to the next. That’s just too big to be a continuity error. Anyway I can’t make sense of it. Maybe someone else can.
I think some of the answers lie in Faraday’s Journal. I wrote a theory about it awhile back and am including it again for reference.
Check out this link to Faraday’s Journal where he diagrams Time and Space
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4566/vlcsnap160131it1.png
I opened the link and wrote the theory in word next to it so I could try to be accurate. If you are interested I suggest you copy the theory onto word or similar application and place it beside the notebook page. It will make more sense then.
I have labeled what I think are significant lines 1,2 and 3 and the important circles, A,B,C and D. The letters make a rectangle. These letters and numbers are not on the map, but I included them for, hopefully, better understanding. So here goes.
6 lines start from the same circle in the upper left corner (A) of the page. 4 Start at a circle (B) a little lower from the right corner. There is a circle (C) in the lower right and (D) on the lower left. Real Time is a straight line that goes from (A) to a circle (C) on the lower right and intersects with the space-time line on the way. It does not encounter any other circles. There are 2 Imaginary Time lines, one starting from A and one from (B). One (1) ends at the same circle (C) as the as Real Time line and crosses the Space-Time line It does not encounter any other circles on the way to (C). The other (2) ends up at another circle, then goes to the same destination (C) as real time, crossing the space-time line on the way. However, it (2) can veer off, ending at the lower left circle (D). Once there, it can make a sharp right turn, ending at the same circle (C) (destination) as the real time line. Unless that imaginary time line (2) veers towards the same ! destination as all the other time lines, it does not intersect with the space-time line and stops at (D).
Now, there is one line (3) on the far left of the page that intersects once with a circle and ends at what I call circle (D) directly below that circle. It does not intersect with the space-time line, so maybe it exists outside of space-time. However, that line (3) could also make a sharp right at (D) and head towards (C), the circle on the right where all the other lines end up. I think it is at this circle (D) where free will comes into play. Those who are there can either stay at that destination (D) or head toward the final destination (C) where all the other time lines end. I think (D) could represent the Island, outside space and time and our losties can either stay there or head to the ultimate destination. The decision will be theirs.
If these are time lines, I think the circles are the times Daniel has gone to so he can change things. But if you look at the page, all lines but one (3) lead to the same destination (C). So even if he changes something, the outcome is the same. This implies to me that Daniel keeps coming to the island, tries to change things, dies, his young mother gets his notebook, keeps it until he graduates, and gives it to him to try again. All we ever see is the first page. I think Daniel does travel through time to change things and then he makes revisions on the page or in the notebook. But so far in the series, WHH. Small changes do occur, but WHH. (we have seen evidence of this as Desomond tries to save Charlie.) I think his or Elle’s hope is to make a change in the final outcome. It is this change that we viewers will get to see as the series enters its final series.
