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The most pivotal scene in The Incident was Ben killing Jacob. My theory is that Jacob wanted Ben to kill him. Not only did he want him to kill him, but he instructed him to kill him. That's right, contrary to what Ben may have said while in the presence of MIB, Ben has met Jacob. He may have only met him once. But despite Ben questioning Jacob about where he has been for the past 30 years, Ben and Jacob are on the same side. Jacob's murder was part of a plan to deceive MIB into thinking he was in a position of power, when in fact, he is not. Ben's line from This Place is Death rings especially true here "If you knew what I've done to keep you safe, to keep your friends safe, you wouldn't stop thanking me". Ben and Jacob may have orchestrated more events in order to complete some greater task. Ben does seem to have a considerable amount of knowledge of events yet to unfold, and he seems to act with a great sense of purpose. He knows that all he does is for Jacob, but he canno! t reveal it to anyone, otherwise it might be possible that MIB could catch on. Jacob is not going to stay dead, or at least he will still have an ability to effect events (through Hurley?). Jacob would not have just let himself die. He is planning something big.
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What about you?: How Ben knows more than you think by Dio
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Not a bad theory. I don't particularly agree, but I prefer to rate theories on their sound logic rather then if I agree or not. I think you should add on to this theory with more examples of ambiguous phrases Ben has used (there are plenty).
When young Ben was so desperate to join the Others Richard told him he'd have to think about it and be very patient. Later in '92 during the Purge he told his dad something to the effect of "Do you really blame me for my mothers death? I've mourned all this time, but the difference is I've had to put up with you." Maybe you could somehow add that to the theory.
Could Ben of met Jacob when he was taken to the Temple to be healed as a child, was made to forget and then later remembers ala Desmond remembering Faraday? I'm just throwing some ideas out there, I don't believe that's the case but you could somehow creatively apply things to your theory.
Yes, I'm continually convinced that they wouldn't just take Ben from the all knowing grand maniupulator, to the craptastic manipulated loser. I agree that he's still in control. In fact, you might take a scene like the "Invisible" ghost in the Cabin scene, and think that perhaps Ben knew that MIB would gain Locke's memories, and so he instilled Locke with the belief that Ben himself actually had no idea what he was doing. That would make for one hell of a plan between Jacob and MIB.
I meant, between Jacob & Ben
I completely agree with this theory. It's easy to forget, but in season 3, presumably under Ben's orders, the others made that runway. A runway built specifically to save that Ajira flight. That not only shows Ben knows far more than he's letting on, but he knew about it at least three years in advance. Did someone tell him this information? "How many times do I have to tell you John, I always have a plan!" Besides, Jacob totally stood there waiting to get stabbed.
You are absolutely right... Ben knows everything and is working with Jacob. Just like Locke's Disciple stated above, there are sooo many things that Ben has said over the years that make this ring true for me. He ALWAYS has a plan, and there is no way that he has been left in the dark.
OK, I read a lot of theories here and some are way too complicated. This I like and I am sold. I thought for a while that Ben has always been the good guy. Many examples - but here is one that tipped his hand...he said he never met jacob or whatever...but...he knew how to exactly call Smokie in when needed, who would have told him that except Jacob.
Ben played thorought the seasons like he always knew what was going to happen and who is important. He new he had to kill Locke. Helping Jocob was a deal he made in the temple when he was healed. We will probably see that scene.
Perhaps firstly Jacob wanted Miles to be the way he gave order post death... but then chose Hurley, when Miles didn't want to come (Jacob believes in free will).