This may sound like a bit of a technicality at first, but bear with me for a minute.
John Locke is not dead. Yes, we can see from the flash forwards that we've been shown that Locke will definitely die in at some point in the future, in the show's "present," (I know that's quite a relative term at this point, but I'm thinking of the present as all the characters' on-island present.) Now, according to Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:Post-Return) and the general consensus of the Lost fandom, the Ajira flight departed some time in January of 2008, and Locke, Illana, Caesar, etc. were transported in time back to 2007. So if Locke dies in 2008, and the present is 2007, then he is not dead.
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Why John Locke is Most Certainly NOT Dead by Born of Fire
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Why John Locke is Most Certainly NOT Dead.
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Theory This may sound like a bit of a technicality at first, but bear with me for a minute.
John Locke is not dead. Yes, we can see from the flash forwards that we've been shown that Locke will definitely die in at some point in the future, in the show's "present," (I know that's quite a relative term at this point, but I'm thinking of the present as all the characters' on-island present.) Now, according to Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:Post-Return) and the general consensus of the Lost fandom, the Ajira flight departed some time in January of 2008, and Locke, Illana, Caesar, etc. were transported in time back to 2007. So if Locke dies in 2008, and the present is 2007, then he is not dead.
While this may sound like a technicality (I agree, he obviously looks dead in The Incident), we know that time is everything on this show, or, as Eloise Hawking would have it, time is the essence.
I'm not precisely sure about how to interpret this fact, but it seems like one of 2 scenarios could be possible for season 6:
1) A Not-Yet-Dead-Locke, wherever he is now, will somehow come bounding onto the scene with Richard, Ben, and the Lockleganger. This would mean that there would actually be 3 Lockes: Dead-Locke-in-the-Crate, Not-Yet-Dead-Locke, and the Lockleganger.
2) Locke's dead corpse will be resurrected because it's not supposed to have died yet. Presumably one would have to ask why this didn't happen immediately upon reaching the island and being transported back in time, but I'm thinking that maybe something has to happen first to bring it about. And for some reason, I think it might involve Jack being some kind of constant, and he'll have to believe that Locke is not dead.
Anywho, I'm not so great at predicting how things will play out. The writers are much better at this than I. My main point is simply to say that regardless of anything else that can be said, it's an undeniable fact that Locke has not died yet. He is presently alive.
Jacob Likes To Play Games by yellowlab
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I think Jacob has been playing a big game with people’s lives for hundreds of years. I think that MIB is the smoke monster and an island deity. Jacob was the first man to discover the island. I think the MIB gave him some mystical powers as a gift without knowing Jacob would abuse them. He gave Jacob immortality. Later Jacob made Richard immortal and turned him into his servant rather than a friend. He needed someone to do his dirty work. Jacob was supposed to revere the MIB smoke monster as depicted in the hieroglyphics drawing in the Temple. When we first see Jacob he automatically cooks two pieces of fish and offers MIB one.
NEGATE - Opposite Polarity Realities by LZ-128
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Faraday: "I can negate the energy under the Swan."
Kate: "How can you destroy the energy?"
Faraday: "I'm gonna detonate a hydrogen bomb."
Faraday warns against drilling to release the energy, but blowing a bomb would make an even larger hole to release the energy. The key word is "NEGATE". Not blow up the Swan site, not "plug up" a hole, but NEGATE the energy itself.
Smoke monster = man in black = new locke by Hayley C
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My theory is that the man in black who has took over lockes deceased body is infact the smoke monster.
1) When we first met Jacob in season 5 we also met the man in black and what i couldnt understand was why does this man hate Jacob so much? Jacob must of really screwed this guy over like by turning him into a smoke monster. Maybe the man in black is actually smokey taking over someones dead body and becoming them from one of Jacobs past experiments on the island 'it ends the same everytime'.
2)Why did all the dead characters (smokey pretending to be them) want everyone to go back to the island so much? So that Locke would die and that the man in black could convince Ben to kill jacob.
3) Only when Locke disapeared to get help did the smoke monster turn up to turn into Bens daughter to tell ben to do whatever Locke wanted e.g. kill jacob.
4) The man in black knew he couldnt kill jacob and wanted to find a loop hole thats why he couldnt kill Jacob in lockes body.
5) The smoke monster has been described as a security measure, maybe like Ariel in the tempest he has been forced to be under control of Jacob and therefore seeks revenge and his freedom.
For all the Loopers by XxIJuicyIxX aka Ashley
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For all the Loopers of the Lost world: We weren't wrong, he just found a Loop Hole! Ever since the season ended and the incident occurred I haven't heard the end of it. Everyone I know saying, "Jack did it! He altered the timeline. Everything is Reset. You were wrong so stuff a string theory in your pie-hole!" I for my part am laughing because Alternate-Timeline Junkies will never get what we Loopers are saying. So I'll recap my Take on Lost so far, this after making extensive diagrams to map it all out.
Body Signifigance by Starberryum
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Sorry if this has been previously discussed.
I have been wondering the significance of dead bodies on the island.
I wanted to start with the first confirmed body on the island. Before we knew anyone else lived there. We knew as the plane crashed that there was already a dead body on it; Christian Sheppard.
I believe he is also the first dead person we see.
Desmond takes a trolley to the jeweler's store by Michael Aaron
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I'm going to pose two questions that are nagging at me (they're related to Desmond) and then offer a dual-theory and a prediction, respectively, in response:
Question 1) In the episode "Flashes Before Your Eyes", when Desmond first meets Eloise in the jeweler's store to buy the ring, is this an event taking place in objective reality, or is it something happening in Desmond's mind? If it's real, are we to assume that Eloise either owned or was employed by the jeweler's store? Is Eloise, in fact, a Jeweler? If the event wasn't real, but some kind of consciousness journey or a mind-trip, then how did Eloise manage to insert herself into it? Whether real or a mind-trip, do Eloise and Desmond share a "memory" of their exchange? To wit: when they see each other again in the Los Angeles Dharma Station (The Lighthouse), do they recognize each other from this previous experience? If they do remember this shared experience, is it the writers' intention for us to assume that their initial meeting took place in real time, or is it their intention for us to assume that they somehow shared a mind-trip?
Enter 7-7 by la Vigne
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Season 3 episode 11. Location: The Flame
John Locke "starts to play another game of chess and achieves a mate in 2, which the computer erroneously claims is a checkmate. A video clip of Marvin Candle appears and says, "Manual override achieved. For pallet drop enter 2-4. For station up-link enter 3-2. For mainland communication enter 3-8." Locke enters 3-8. A new clip is called up saying "The satellite dish is inoperable. Communications are down. For sonar access enter 5-6." Locke enters 5-6. A new clip says, "Sonar is inoperable. Has there been an incursion on this station by the Hostiles? If so, enter 7-7." Locke's finger aims hovers over the 7 key when Mikhail puts a knife to his neck from behind, stopping him from typing the second 7."
Any relation to 19-77? Could this be the "flux-capacitor" of the island? I would think so. There is too much of a connection to disagree. Why would Mikhail threaten John from pressing the second '7' when he didn't care that John pressed '3-8'? Maybe because Mikhail knows what that computer actually does. What would this mean? Well, it would mean that the FDW/island is connected somehow to the computer system. You know that noise the smoke monster makes? Sound familiar to the sounds coming out of the computer room in the Swan? You be the judge.
Locke told us what this was all about in the second episode by Brad
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My wife wanted to watch Lost from the very beginning again as she has only been through it once. It is the third time for me. When we got to Season 1, Episode 2, I believe Locke told us what this is all about right there on the beach playing backgammon. When Walt asked him about the game he was playing and asked him if it was checkers, Locke proceeded to tell him about the backgammon game. He said it was older than Jesus Christ, and he said "two players, two sides, one is light, one is dark." My theory is that this seemingly insignificant line at the time, now takes on a HUGE meaning. Perhaps this "game" between Jacob and MIB is older than time itself. The two sides, one is light and one is dark, line certainly takes on a very significant meaning now. Could it be that this whole thing is like a game of backgammon. Go to Wikipedia and read about it. There's even something in backgammon called the "Jacoby! rule." Hmmmm.. It states: "The Jacoby rule allows gammons and backgammons to count for their respective double and triple values only if the cube has already been offered and accepted. This encourages a player with a large lead to double, possibly ending the game, rather than to play it to conclusion hoping for a gammon or backgammon. The Jacoby rule is widely used in money play but is not used in match play."
Notice the player with a large lead can DOUBLE (as in double Locke)? I may be way off but I think this is a big key.
The REASONS BEHIND JACOB & MIB: NEWCOMB'S PARADOX OR PROBLEM? by LOSTFANCHRIS
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I did not write most of this theory. I have constructed this theory with information based on facts of philosophical paradoxes. I found this information to be useful and possibly bring something new to the table. Hope you all enjoy
My theory is simple. I believe I figured out Jacob and MIB’s reasoning based on the Newcomb’s paradox…
Locke Partially Possessed Since Season One by BBell
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Summary:
John Locke needed to die so the MIB could take over his body completely.
Theory:
In season one, JLocke went alone to hunt boar. On the hunt, the island lead him to a field where "the monster" confronted him. In the next few episodes, John talks about destiny, and how the island has called him here, and how he has "looked the island in the eye, and it was beautiful".
The Self-Consistency Principle by Marcus
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The self consistency principle was developed by professor Novikov to solve the problem of paradoxes in time travel. It states that if an event could exist that will give rise to a paradox,then the probability of that event actually happening is zero. To demonstrate this theory he used a mathematical example
We have some idea of what MIB went through to be there by John
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MIB is not able to kill Jacob.
But a mortal can. Who would want to kill Jacob from the Others?
Only one who feels jealousy towards another who gets Jacob's unmerited favor, and then in turn resents Jacob because of it.
But no one can get close enough to Jacob unless they are a leader.
One wouldn't be enough: Ben on his own without any object to resent or feel jealous of wouldn't have been pushed far enough to one day say "you know what, I think I'll kill Jacob". He needed that extra push.
Fabric Of LOST by Monika
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This is going to be long. But it will be simple. I want to talk about time, paradoxes. Possible ways of avoiding them. What we have in the show. And the possible ways of unfolding the general idea of the show. I read a book and I wanted to share elements of the book with you. Mixing it with the show. The book talks about time travel. Possibilities and general idea. So here we go.
Time is one of the great mysteries of the universe. We are all swept up in the river of time against our will.
Hurley And the Many Indicators Of Random by DaKlenke
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In my last post, the six installment in my on-going commentary on the larger issues of Lost, I ended it with a rather brief explanation of why I believed Hurley originally belonged to Random. For those of you who have not read that theory (Further Evidence On Random Vs. Purpose)or it's five predecessors (Reconsidering the Events of Season 3, Parts 1-3, Further Evidence of Desmond's Change and My Stance On the Powers That Be), I would highly recommend that you do so, as this is one continuous, interrelated examination at what I believe we are seeing on Lost. With the seventh installment in my series, I would like to take a closer look at Hurley and use his character as an example of what to look for as indicators of Random's manipulation.
Total Opposites by Don't Tell Me
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It's obvious that lost is about total opposites. The latest revelation to occur along that plane of thought is MIB and Jacob. So, other than black and white, how are they opposite?
Good and Evil, Order and Chaos. But what about special powers? Let's assume MIB's power is to become smokey and more importantly, become dead people - like Flocke. The opposite power of that would be for Jacob to become alive people - people just born. This could help us understand the significance of Aaron.
The little Blondie could just be Jacob himself. I hope season 6 shows us exactly what is meant by the "couple" Claire's psychic was referring to. Could be MIB and Jacob. That would be quite the play on words. "A nice couple" That would be great. I would love to hear ideas on opposites and Aaron.
Flocke is Jeremy Bentham by KKraus
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I haven’t been too good about ready other posts lately, so perhaps someone has already spoken to this- if so, my apologies.
I posted a question the forum a couple of months ago asking why everyone (meaning the O6) had such distain for Jeremy Bentham and I did not get any answers that really spoke to this, therefore it never satisfied my curiosity as to why they HATED him, couldn’t even speak his name.
When someone in a theory mentioned 2 time lines, it really got me thinking about Jeremy Bentham again. I believe that the writers have already shown us two time lines, we just didn’t know it yet. I am beginning to believe that Jeremy Bentham is Flocke and there is a lot more to this Jeremy Bentham story that we have not yet seen. I think the comments of “the horrible things he did to their people on the island” is something we have yet to see.
Further Evidence On Random Vs. Purpose by DaKlenke
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This theory is the six installment in my series on the grander points of interest in Lost. The series begins with "Reconsidering the Events of Season 3, followed by Parts 2 and 3 of the same name. Next came "Further Evidence of Desmond's Change" followed by "My Stance On the Powers That Be". For anyone who is reading this theory who has not read the aforementioned, I recommend doing so before proceeding as they make a slow and logical progression in understanding what we have seen on Lost thus far.
In this specific theory, I would like to provide a little bit more perspective on my opinions of Jacob and MIB (or as I prefer, Purpose and Random) and if I have time, I would like to delve a little bit into the character, Hurley.
New Timline Theory-Two Timlines and how they both ALWAYS existed by Dogma9
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Okay, so I had sorta an "aha" moment here.
I got to thinking, IF (big If) Lost decides to do a reset, what happens in the past?? What happens in the 1970's???
My guess is, even if 815 lands in LAX. WHH, will stay have a role.
My guess is, those LAX Losties will STILL have to time travel into the past (because they did on the island too)
Jughead, Desmond and the Swan Fail-Safe by JamieTK
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I don't think Jughead exploded until Desmond turned the fail-safe key in 2004. The EM/H-bomb interaction I've heard described all over the web (an implosion that would dissipate the EM pocket) sounds very much like what happened when the hatch was destroyed. The fail-safe device (IMO) *was* Jughead.
I think (and I know I'm not the first) that it's likely we'll return to 1977 and find out some of our Losties have been flash jumped out of that time period. Not by the Frozen Donkey Wheel like before, but by the same power that flash jumped them off flight 316 and into 1977 to begin with. On the plane, that time jump was accompanied by a white flash. During the Incident the white flash we mistook for the detonation of a hydrogen bomb was actually just some of the Losties being jumped to another time.
Not long after that happened, Chang probably ordered the creation of the fail-safe device using the bomb they found next to dead Juliet. Then a ton of concrete, and a weird computer system, 108 minutes for some reason, yada yada, and the Swan was born.
The Timeloop, reset theory discredited, answer to the paradox problem, S6 by Leebo T
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This theory will hopefully reject the 'reset theory', solve the 'paradox problem' ie if they never crashed on the island how could they go back to 1977 and set off jughead, and speculate on season 6.
In 1977 the Dharma initiative would dig into a pocket of energy at the Swan suite. As a result they would have to install a system that would allow the energy to be released by entering a series of numbers at a specifically calculated time of 108 minutes. During the purge the others would wipe out the dharma initiative but Kelvin and possibly Radzinsky (who at some stage killed himself) would remain alive in the swan station. In 2004 Desmond would be too late in entering the numbers resulting in Oceanic flight 815 crashing on the island. The events between seasons 1-4 would unfold leading up to the oceanic 6 leaving the island, later to return to the island, some of which remaining in 2007 but some going back to 1977.
My Ultimate MIB’s loophole theory by Mark
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This could turn out to be quite long but please bare with me as I really think I’m on to something. I think that MIBs loophole was the time skipping that Locke, Daniel etc experienced after Ben turned the wheel. I’m going to explain why I think a loophole was required and how it was created.
First off I’ll start with the WHY. I believe that much in the same way as Christians see suicide as a one way ticket to hell or purgatory or whatever (I’m not a religious person) Jacob and MIB come from a group that have the same strong beliefs about killing one of their own. These beliefs also seem to be in place with the Others as demonstrated by Juliet’s treatment when she killed one of them (I forget his name) and Ben’s inability to kill Widmore.
It's all in the shoes by John
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Christian Shepard wore Jack's shoes in transit to the island. We see one of his shoes dangling from a tree in the pilot.
In the mobisode, we see him barefoot in the jungle telling Vincent to find Jack.
Locke wore Jack's father's shoes in transit to the island. He took them off when they crossed from the smaller island to the larger one.
DOES MIB/Esau inhabit the form once the protective shoes are off?
They seemed to make a big deal about Locke taking off his shoes while in the little boat.
The only problem with my theory is that Hurley saw Christian Shepard in the cabin wearing the shoes. But there was another person who popped up right at the window and freaked Hurley out. Who was the other person? Or was that MIB who just did a jump to the window?
Not a very developed theory, but there seems to be something about the shoes. This is to get discussion going, not to say I think I have any right answers.
Aaron A.K.A. MIB by Phil
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The theory that I am about to propose is in relation to the scene where we see Claire and "Christian", who we now know was actually the MIB. I've always wondered why is she so calm with this person...I know that Christian was her father but I mean she left her son and doesn't bother her? Why does Christian/MiB want to help Locke leave the island to bring back the Losties? Why did the palm reader in Season 1 tell Claire that what he saw was 'dark, black' etc. and that he should keep the baby. I thought the prediction was based on Claire but maybe it was Aaron all along. To this point we don't know MIB's name perhaps because this will be the great reveal in Season 6. Moreover, Many of us have assumed that Jacob is the interloper, the outsider, the one with the connections with the outside world, but perhaps it's actually MIB...Carlton has said that Jacob is 'no one we've met before' so that would include Aaron. Fin! ally, the whole taking over Christian's body will have more meaning if this the case because that would be his grandfather's body and would connect Jack as well to the MIB. I would appreciate your criticisms and thoughts on this theory.
Locke is the Reincarnation of MIB by Michael Aaron
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This theory falls on the heels of my previous theory that Flocke and the John Locke we have seen all along are one and the same.
Locke is the reincarnation of MIB. In other words, same soul, new body. If you grant that reincarnation is at least possible, you will grant that there are a select few who actually remember their previous incarnations.
Season 6 by YahooSawyer
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My Stance On the Powers That Be by DaKlenke
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Alright, so this specific theory is not directly related to my previous five theories, all of which try to explain how Desmond changed the intended timeline in Season 3. However, I do intend to connect this theory to that series at a later date. Look at it like my Desmond theories are my central thread, and although this theory may be a separate thread, eventually I intend for the two to entwine. So if you have not read Reconsidering the Events of Season 3, Parts 1-3, followed by Further Evidence of Desmond's Change, Parts 1 and 2, I recommend that you do so.
Because Jacob touched them by Carole Anne
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he put them on a path that lead them to the island. I’ve been trying to figure out why these particular people (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, Jin, Sun, Hurley and Locke were chosen. With so many people on earth to choose from why them?
There is talk of a coming “war” and I get the impression that these people will be involved in it. So if there’s to be a war, wouldn’t Jacob want people with military training, a purpose, and helpful skills? Good, honest folks that would be true blue. If he’s so good, why wouldn’t he pick people with great character and strength. Of all the people in the world to choose from, why our losties?
"They're Coming" WHH meets ALT by lost in nyc
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How I see it by Monika
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Recently I was influenced by certain things. I will give you the consequence of that influence.
WH,H doesn't exist.
We are humans. We think. We Feel. We make choices. We make our own destiny. That's one way to look at it. Following this logic I come to a conclusion that everything can be changed, but nothing will be changed.
For example..I go to the past, before I was born. I meet my father. My father is in his 20s. He fells in love with me. Therefore I will not be born. Because my father has to fall in love with my mother, right? If that doesn't happen then I will not be born. If I am not born how can I be here? Easily.
...when Alex died MIB was freed... by FJA243
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The basis of this theory is trying figure out when the loophole that MIB took advantage was actually opened. I know his plan was in place long before any of the events that I'm going to talk about happen. I believe that Ben's words 'he changed the rules' is biggest clue that this the moment when things are 'changed' enough for MIB to take advantage. I believe that just before or just after Alex died is when MiB is enabled or freed to take over Locke's body on his return in Ajira flight 316.
"Everything that Rises Must Converge"... That means Alt timelines too... by Ricky
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I made a comment on another thread that I now after careful consideration, believe that the 2007 that we saw in season 5 was nothing more that a result of two timelines becoming one single future. It just so happens that the island is the point of convergence so that is the point of the island. It is a Temporal Gateway.
I think that when Ajira flight 316 Flashed (when Jack, Kate, etc, got flashed to 77') the whole plane got flashed to a 2007 that is a mixture of both ALT pasts (77'-04')! In other words this would explain why we see evidence of some of the DHARMA stuff with the picture and all the destroyed Barracks stuff, and also why we see evidence of the Risk game. Both timelines collided to form one single future.
An Idea of the Narrative Path of Season Six (Among Many Other Divergences) by Sean
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Possibility: The detonation of the bomb in “The Incident” creates two alternate time-lines, starting from 1977 onward. One time-line contains everything from seasons 1-5. The second time-line is a slightly altered version of the first time-line in which the plane never crashes and events leading up to the plane crash are slightly different. In this new time-line, on September 22nd 2004, the events that lead to Seth Norris filling in for Frank Lapidus do not transpire, and Frank is in the pilot seat on that day. I’m sure it’s not a coincidence that every time we’ve seen Frank pilot a plane on the show thus far, he has landed it safely. Perhaps 815 would have always landed if it had a better pilot?
Who ever turned the wheel is the leader by Cassiopea
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I want to focus on the FDW and what I proposed in my last theory “Alternative Timelines are not as a result of the incident”. What if turning the wheel is like what Des experienced with out the island moving? What if turning the wheel allows the past version of oneself to have future knowledge? Not in flashes like Des but the person knows what’s coming next and can make different choices in their lives, they have permanent future knowledge. That future knowledge would only last up to the point in time in which the future person experienced. IE only up to the point that they turned the wheel. Like Mrs Hawking said she didn’t know what was coming next. I know there’s another explanation for Mrs Hawking not knowing what’s coming next in relation to Faraday’s diary but maybe it’s not that.
Alternative Timelines are NOT as a result of the incident by Cassiopea
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In my last theory “A Backwards reset” I said that the bomb was blown up. I just want to clarify what I think. It could be one of two options, either are satisfactory to me but either way I don’t think what happened at the incident is the cause of ALT. That’s my main point here. The possibility of a new time line is not a tangent that has skewed from this point in time. I think it is people who have turned the FDW who have made changes who have caused many alternative timeline and this is the war. A war over the timeline. People who believe in WHH – please give me a chance to show you how my theory shows that series 1-5 DOES have meaning and alternative timelines do not mean that everything we have seen in our Losties back stories is meaningless.
Shhhh Ethan by Jonathan
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This isn't a massive theory based on the major events of the season 5 finale or anything. This isn't too much of a theory either!
I just want to address Ethan and a few things that don't make a lot of sense to me with regards to him.
Ethan was born not too long before the general consensus on the island was "Women and children get on the sub!"
LOST's paradoxical loops, how it will all end, and what season 7 would look like by Sawyer's optician
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Sorry if anybody has mentioned this idea before. I read loads of the theories on here, but not all of them so I can't be sure. Pretty sure it hasn't been mentioned though.
So I think that powers that be have dropped a few hints as to the whole LOST world and what exactly is going on. The first that I can remember was a conversation between Hurley and Jack, in which Hurley complains that he's out of the loop and wants back in - "There is no loop" says Jack. Well, yes there is. And it's a huge paradox.
My Theory on EVERYTHING (John Locke is ALIVE!) by WhoIsJohnLocke
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John Locke is not dead. The "imposter" we all simply assumed is MIB after witnessing his confrontation with Jacob at the beginning of "The Incident". However, I believe that it is in fact none other than John Locke himself. Let me explain A LOT... this is going to be all over the place, so bear with me...
The Other Smoke Monster by Zarathustra
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Lets take a nostalgic trip back to Season 1, Episode 4, "Walkabout"; the first of many great Locke-centric episodes. For the first time since they crashed on the Island, one of the survivors catches a glimpse of the Monster, not only a glimpse, but he stares it down. This was of course, John Locke. The question arises: why was the shot filmed from the Monster's point of view? Many would say that this is because the writer's did not want to reveal what the Monster was in episode 4, they wanted to wait for the Finale. This undoubtedly part of the equation. But an even more intriguing possibility is that there is not one, but two smoke monsters. One of these is the black one, which we have come to know and love, and the other is white. MIB/Flocke/Esau is the Black Smoke Monster (BSM), and Jacbo is the White Smoke Monster (WSM). The BSM is an advocate of fate, and an enemy of humanity. The idea of fate that is so emb! edded in John Locke is evil, propagated by the BSM to bend him to his will. Only because of Locke's delusion that he is destined for something great is he conned into becoming the BSM's pawn. Fate, in the mind of the BSM, sentences humanity into cycles of corruption and death. Jacob, the WSM, is an advocate of free will. The WSM believes that humanity is not running in circles, but is on a straight path that leads to a destination. An important distinction between the actions of the BSM and the WSM is that the former is confrontational, attacking and killing humans, while the WSM is passive; even when faced with his own death, he would rather be killed then compromise his morals, under which he gives humans the freedom to choose. Mark my words, in Season 6 we will see a white smoke monster, and it will be one of the most shocking things on LOST. (By the way, it's not Lost/Found, its Lost/Won).
Does change neccesarily mean ALT/Reset? by Dale
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One thing that's struck me in the raging debate amongst WHH vs ALT is that opponents of the ALT/Reset assume that a change in the current timeline will create a new timeline thus negating the first 5 seasons. I was reading "The Single Universe theory" by Marcus and he made a very valid point that IF (& that's a big if) the writers of Lost decide that Lost exists in a single infallible universe, an ALT timeline isn't possible. No matter what happens,everything is leading to one predetermined unchangeable outcome. Call it destiny, if you like.
Now before people start bashing me over the head with all sorts of theoretical physics and science about how an ALT timeline is the only logical solution to a change in the timeline, step back and rememeber this. LOST is a science FICTION TV show. Ultimately, it is the writers' decision to decide wheher ALT or WHH is the correct explanation for the purpose of telling their story. To use real world science as the basis for theorizing about a TV show that has it's own time travel rules is not theoretically sound.
Season 3 ?'s by Puro
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I am new to this forum. I have read alot of theories and enjoyed all of them. There are a couple of things that I noticed while rewatching S3 that I have'nt seen anyone write about. For instance I thought it was weird when the others had Sawyer and Kate working on the other Island they were building a landing strip for an airplane, the same one the 316 flight lands on in S5. I wonder who told them to do that and if they knew that was going to happen that raises another million questions right there.
Also in "The man behind the curtain" when little Ben goes out in the jungle to find his mom he runs into Richard with long hair and raggy clothes. But when we see Richard in the 50's in S5 he looks like he always has. The same when Sawyer goes and talks with him about the 2 guys him and Juliet killed he looks like he always has and that is around the same time little Ben goes out and meets him. Just thought it was weird.
Post-Jughead Consciousness Jump by dylansdad
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After the explosion of Jughead (The Incident) the 815 survivors in '77 experience what we already saw with Desmond--their minds jump back to 2004, and their post-Incident minds (with all the experiences and personal growth of the previous five seasons) are in control and self-aware in their collective past. We saw Desmond's consciousness travel back and interact with Penny, and that has establised the possibility of a consciousness jump into your own past where you intentionally change the course of history. Desmond's change was minor--initiating a phone call--but what if we see a major change brought about by Jack & Friends?
Figure 8 by dctruby
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This is copied from one of my comments, so I thought I'd try it out as a theory. As always, my apologies if it's been said before:
I think Lost iss all one time line that has become caught in a figure 8 loop, with the incident at the center.
Jughead will detonate and prevent 815 from crashing. The passengers of 815 will somehow decide to go back in time and prevent Jughead from detonating. This will, of course, lead to 815 crashing, and the figure 8 starts all over again.
We will see how far this thing goes back by RIPYOGI
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We've seen hieroglyphics, gigantic statues, temples, and everything that suggests that we haven't seen the origins of the island. In fact, I remember Carlton saying in a video (can't remember which one) who knows how far this thing goes back, and Damon responding creepily,"I do." This brings me to my theory. I'm theorizing that to totally confuse and shock the fans, as the season premiere usually has that element of misdirection, we will see the origin of the island. We won't know what the heck would be going on until they showed Egyptian slaves building the four-toed statue.
I keep reading theories venting over the chance that we might not find out the missing events that occur between the Incident and the plane crash. Well I would be more upset if we didn't see the complete origins of the island before the Black Rock landing because it seems to me, from the Jacob/MIB conversation, that history repeats itself. For history to repeat itself it must logically occur. All of the alternate timeline theories are great, but without knowing how this whole shabang began would really irk me. I hope they find a way to work this into the Incident. Besides, if Damon knows how far this thing goes back, why wouldn't he tell us?
"Feels like a hundred years ago" by Nathaniel
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I was just finished watching "The Beginning of The End"(401) again and near the end of the episode at the cockpit Jack said to Kate "Feels like a hundred years ago we were out here" and I started to think - What if they were?
The rumours about Jack and Kate being the "Adam and Eve" has got me wondering what if they were there on the island in 1904 in either an alternative timeline or in the future? I don't know how Jack would know, maybe a subconsice feeling e.g. Desmon in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" etc, but what if?
Alsosomething that has stuck in my mind for a while is that in "The Constant" Charles Widmore is buying a painting of The Black Rock which set sal in the late 1800's. So what is going on with Dainelle?It's not like time somehow speed up and I somehow doubt she time-travelled, so what's going on there?
The Single Universe Model by Marcus
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If we live in a single universe, then free will and time travel cannot coexist; it’s a physical as well as a logical impossibility. From the very moment you introduce a time machine into a single universe model, everything that happens from that point onward is predetermined. Why? Because a time traveller from the future can access any point of your future. For example, let’s say I invent a time machine, at that very moment it’s created, my future becomes a reality, since I can travel from the present into the future and vice versa. If my future is real, then all my present actions must be predetermined. So for our losties, the very moment they crash landed on the island, their destiny was instantly created. This is why WHH and trying to change things is a waste of time). This theory only applies to a single universe model remember, and if Darlton has chosen just one universe , then WHH definitely.
The trouble is, people like the idea of time travel, but they also like the idea of free will too. So to have both exist simultaneously, scientists invented a theory called the many universes model. This is fine if you like ALT, but in reality, it’s difficult to comprehend a new universe being created for every decision we make.
As long as you know when you are gonna die by Monika
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Desmond Hume
Desmond Hume a uniquely special character.
I want to talk about The Constant.
Desmond went through a "wormhole" (or whatever you want to call it..a window..) surrounding the island along with Sayid and Frank. Frank went a little bit of course and a side effect occurred. Desmond traveled to his past or was it another way around?
Minkawski asked: It's happening to you too?
But it doesn't.
What Happened to Ilana by DaKlenke
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9/24/2009 08:42:00 AM
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For those of you who have read my previous five theories, this specific theory is NOT a continuation of that series. This theory is stand alone. Part six of those theories is coming, but for now, I think this will give something new and refreshing to talk about. As many others have said, I apologize if this theory has been stated elsewhere.
So since Ilana's flashback in "The Incident", many have wondered when exactly this specific flash occured and what exactly happened to Ilana to give her all those burns. Well I think that I have an answer to both of those questions.
Further Evidence of Desmond's Change by DaKlenke
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For those of you who have not read my previous three theories (Reconsidering the Events of Season 3, Parts 1-3) I would highly recommend that you do so. Even though this theory does not share the same name as it's predecessors, it can be considered the fourth part to those theories. Furthermore, I would also like to be clear that in this specific theory, I will not be taking a stance on the motivations of Jacob or the MIB, nor will I touch on Season 5. I intend to cover both of those topics at a later date and incorporate them into this ongoing theory. And now, without further ado...
What is Christian Shephard's role in all this? by Alex
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I don't know if this is as much of a theory as an attempt to get people thinking of this since there really isn't enough evidence to really develop a realistic theory.
If on Ajira flight 316 the Losties had to re-create Oceanic Flight 815 and Locke's body took the place of Christian's body, maybe Christian was going to serve the same purpose that Locke did? For all we know, Christian spent time on the island and was involved with what was going on there. Perhaps Christian's death wasn't a heart attack brought on by drinking and hard living, maybe he was murdered too, like Locke.
Restoring The Timeline, or, How I Stopped Worrying and Learned To Love the Bomb by Tim
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This theory is based upon the assumption that an alternate time line will be created due to the explosion of the bomb during "The Incident".
There are a few things which must be first considered if we are to assume that an alternate time line has been created. To begin with, we see that Sun, Locke/Flocke, Lapidus, and Ben are all still alive and well on the island after the Ajira 316 flight landed. This is an important fact to consider. When the plane reached the island, and in a sudden flash of light Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid are all transported back to 1977. For Sun, Ben, Lapidus and (F)Locke are still existent in the plane and then land upon the island. Which means that anything changed in the past would impact the reality in which they are already existing. This means that either anything Jack and others did in the past was all originally what truly happened in the first place, somehow negated, or the plane, and all its other inhabitants were moved to the alternate time line in the same flash that transported Jack and others. So either Sun and others are in the original timeline, noth has been changed,! or it was negated, otherwise they are already in the new time line.
Jughead is not the incident by Chad
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The most common idea I have seen reading all of the theories is that the detonation of jughead caused the incident and will somehow result in a reset. We don't even know that the bomb went off. The incident is radinzky drilling into the pocket of energy. WHH is true. Someone wrote that the result of the incident is that the hatch won't be built and that being the case 815 won't crash. But the reason the hatch exist the way it did with the button and the numbers being entered every 108 was because of the incident. The incident caused the hatch and the hatch caused the crash but the losties do not cause the incident.
The incident happened, they just happened to be there.
There's another group back at the temple by RodSerlingisJacob
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Ok, so there are a few things that really have me thinking and I haven't seen anyone on here bringing them up.
First I wanna talk about Locke and his "apparent" possession by the MIB. After watching "The Incident" we as an audience are left with the impression that Locke is now somehow MIB. Go back to "the Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" and pay attention to Locke when we first see him "back to life on the island" Does he seem possessed to you? If he was it just seems pretty unnecessary to tell Ceasar that he spent over 100 days on the island and a brief rundown of the D.I. And tell Illana that he remembers dying, just seems kinda odd to me. One more thing about Flocke, if he is really MIB then why would he need Richard to take him to Jacob? He says to richard, thats a nice foot richard but what does it have to do with Jacob? Just seems to me that if he was MIB then he wouldn't be so surprised by the Statue. Just something that has bugged me, anyone else notice this?
Take the "F" out of "Flocke" by Michael Aaron
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The John Locke that was killed by Ben Linus and the man we call "Flocke" are the same man; the corpse dumped onto the sand by Ilana's team is NOT.
It's the exact opposite of what we've been lead to believe.
There are a number of different scenarios to offer that might help explain such a theory, I'll offer one below, but let me first say: My theory is NOT the text that follows this paragraph; my theory is right here: the man we call "Flocke" is the exact same man who was strangled by Ben, the exact same man we've been watching all along, and the corpse dumped onto the sand is NOT.
Leaving island in the past = Strange Results by Daniel
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9/22/2009 10:32:00 PM
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I don't think that we have received sufficient answers to what happened in the three years between the flashbacks and present day events of lafleur. Most importantly, why did they stay more than two weeks, why were they allowed to stay more than two weeks, and did any of them attempt to leave during that time? It doesn't make sense for all of them, especially Juliet and Miles, to put up with staying. The only one we knew who left was Faraday, who had suddenly renegged on his whatever happened, happened theory when he came back. I know this was a retcon and he was meant to be working in the orchid, but we still have no idea what happens, and since the time travel is a result of the island moving, surely it wouldn't be a gateway to the past of the rest of the world.
Have we seen an alternate timeline already? by The_Noose
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For some time now I have been reading over the many wonderful theories posted on this site. After reading one particular theory (Sorry I dont recall who posted it) that mentioned Cesar finding notes in Ben's office in the old Hydra Station. This post having to do with the diagram of varying time lines coinciding with various "events". I then started going through the screencaps page looking for the sheet. What I found along with the diagram, is the basis for my theory.
A Backwards Reset by Cassiopea
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The possibility of a "reset" in my opinion is a possible timeline which happened before things were changed, not a direct result of Jack blowing up the bomb. They were changed by someone else. It's all backwards. It looks like Jack's plan worked and this is an alternative timeline which has come about because Jack made a change but I don't think it is.
Jack and co blew up the bomb, they always did, it will be contained and become part of WHH. Faraday conned Jack into achieving WHH. Jack thought he could make a difference, he could have done but Jack didn’t have the info that Dan had, he didn’t know what he could change and what he couldn’t or what the consequences would be. Faraday didn’t want Jack to make any changes so he told Jack what Jack wanted to hear. Faraday knows that if he wants to manipulate the timeline (he must be using the data from his diary as we have already seen him do) and he wants things to happen as they did last time so that he can continue to make his own adjustments. If Jack does something different Faraday will not know what the consequences will be or what the future will be. He wants to shape the future for his own advantage.
Chain Loops not a Big Circle by FJA243
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This theory is primarily focused on the resolution of the time loop (singular for the ALT. folks) and time loops (plural for the WHH folks). In my opinion there have been multiple time loops but that is not to say that because the conclusion of the events surrounding the island doesn't change that the people involved don't make variations in the story along the way either through free will or influenced by Jacob, MIB, or even another entity yet to be revealed (if this is not the case what's the point of playing their game). Remember the fateful exchange posited by Jacob and MIB...'the conclusion is always the same whatever happens up to that point is progress'.
Spatiotemporal locations - Perspective by Lorenzo
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I'm a graduate student in Linguistics and stumbled across this in a reading in advanced Semantics, which ties in a lot with philosophy. There were too many Lost tie ins, and things to chew on for me not to share it. Not really a theory, but maybe other people can create some more tie-ins.
This was in another unpublished paper which is talking about Casati's work on the properties of everyday objects and the belief that two objects can't share the smae spatiotemporal location.
Nuclear Fission Pt. 2—Wobble, Wobble by Randy JuJu
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Again, with the prefacing. Read part 1 of my Nuclear Fission Theory. This is a continuation based solely on the conclusion that Jack was successful in preventing the Oceanic Flight's crash.
Say Jack prevented Oceanic 815 from crashing. Now they are all mainland, operating with the memories of their life on island, watching as the universe course corrects itself appropriately. Again, I'm assuming that the Island's history is constantly changing, either in small nuances, or in complete resets. Because, if you have an "Incident" where Jack and Co. successfully prevent the crash of 815, they never make it to the island in 2004. Therefore, Jack and Co. never return to the 70's to cause the incident, and the Hatch is built and 815 Crashes. Then Jack and Co. go through the events of seasons 1-5, again causing the incident. Boy, I hate to use the word "alternate", but it seems we're alternating between two histories. That alternate. Yin and Yang, Black and White, Incident and No Incident. When you don't have the Incident, 815 Crashes. The Crash of 815 eventually causes the Incident. When you have the Incident 815 doesn't crash. Push, Pull, Push, Pull.
Gods? I dont think so! by Fastimy
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This is my first post so please be kind and let me know what you all think.
In the incident we meet Jacob "god" as most of you guys like to call him, but I really don't think so because would a god have to weave a thread? Hunt (catching the fish)? Cook? Eat? I don't think so!!
The reason for Eko's death by choyjay
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I don't quite think Eko's death was as irrational as some people think. From his flashbacks, we see that Eko isn't afraid to do horrible things if he doesn't have a choice. He didn't feel bad about killing to save Yemi. After Yemi's death, he took on the role of being a priest out of sheer guilt. His remorse for his actions was really guilt for Yemi's death. On the island, when he met with Yemi's apparition, he confessed that he feels no guilt for the things that he had done. He did them because he had no choice. The guilt was for Yemi's death, not for his actions.
Nuclear Fission by Randy JuJu
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Everybody always prefaces their theory. I will keep this short. Hopefully, people are willing to expand upon the one general idea that I'm suggesting.
Nuclear Fission.
Warning! Science Content.
Scientists, when they were attempting to create an atomic bomb, were faced with a difficult problem. They wanted to separate the unstable nucleus of an atom, but all previous attempts had proven unsuccessful. When they launched a small proton at the unstable mass, it reacted, much like two North's of a magnet, so that as the proton approached the target, its trajectory shifted. By the time it had reached the nucleus, it was offline. So, Leo Szilard theorized that if they launched a neutron, that it would impact the nucleus, and it did. The neutron stuck to the unstable mass, making it unstable, until it eventually split the nucleus and started a chain reaction, with each new nucleus splitting in an exponential manner, thus creating a nuclear reaction, and giving off a cataclysmic amount of energy.
Flash Sideways? by choyjay
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We've done flashbacks, we've done flashforwards, so what element can we use for storytelling now? Well I thought about the concept of flashbacks and flashforwards, and thought of them directionally. Forwards, backwards, so why not flash sideways to a parallel universe in Season 6? It's the only direction left to go.
Some people say that an alternate universe where 815 doesn't crash is stupid and poor writing, because it completely throws away the first five seasons. My rebuttal is that if "flash-sideways" worked as flashbacks and flashforwards did, then we wouldn't be throwing away anything. They would work just like they always have, as separate scenes occurring away from the primary timeline. In Season 6, the primary timeline would continue to play out as normal (Ben and "Locke" leave the statue, Richard confronts them after seeing the real Locke's body, and so on), but we have these "flash-sideways" that happen, showing us what happens if Jughead indeed resets the timeline, in place of normal flashbacks or flashforwards.
The nature of lost by willthereallockepleasestandup
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This theory will not answer any of the burning questions that most of you have like how its going to end.But I do think this will help you understand the nature of lost and some of what might happen next season.First off i think that everyone that crashed on that island were there for some sort of reason.If you look at that main cast from season 1 on they all had pretty major problems.As the producers have stated before the show is not about the island but the story about the people on it.It is only but a setting or a place.I think this shows name has somewhat of a double meaning to it.The charachters aren't just lost on an island but they are lost spiritually,mentally,and physically.They are all on somewhat of a path of destruction with each of their problems.Ex:Kate-Crime,Locke-physical problems and lack of self worth,Jack-father issues among other things,Hurley-mental issues,Sun and Jin:maritial issues,Charlie! -drug issues,Sawyer-revenge,boone-spoiled,the list goes on and on.I think crashing on to that island for all of them was a blessing not a curse.all the charachters that landed on that island at some point in the series were found and overcame there problems.Now i can garuntee that there will be a reset due to all this crap i find on the spoilers.I think we will see what would have happend if none of the charachters landed on the island and werent found.And i think the story will follow each of them down to their path of destruction .As for the ending of show im completely clueless.But anyways thanks for your time and comments would appreciated.
Black and White, Ink and Paper by Fivestades
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I’ve been thinking (ta da!) about Black and White and whether this could be related to ink and paper.
The island can move through time and people can leave and interact with the real world.
What would happen if Sawyer had been holding a copy of a Brief History of Time when he time skipped? Then left it in the 1500’s. If found by the right person, could that have dramatically changed the outcome of humanity?
Jack is Desmond is Jacob by D Mac
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Re-watching the 1st season I had a thought. Namely, that Jack has always done what Desmond stopped doing with Charlie. Jack stops people from dying. It may seem obvious, Jack being a doctor and all, but a major theme of the show is fate vs free will. The goal of a doctor, arguably, is to use his knowledge to stop fate(death). Jacks knowledge of medicine is just a smaller, but similar type of foresight he shares with Desmond.
Desmond can see into the future, and acts to save charlie, Jack KNOWS what is going to happen medically, and acts accordingly. The people Jack saves do die eventually. The stand out being Rose in Pilot 1. We will have to see if she lives or dies, or has been dead all along. Desmond realized, as I think Jack did later on, that the universe course corrects, and therefore stops trying to save people, and instead focuses on resetting everything.
Who is the Third Entity? by Mystery Scribe
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I love this site and this is one of my first. Please be kind. I’ll state that much of this is conjecture and simply my opinion on what could be. If you’re looking for a lot of evidence to back up this theory, I don’t have much. I’m just thinking out loud.
Kudos to PkmnTrainer for a great theory of the Third Entity, a woman. I whole-heartedly agree—and I have an idea of who that woman is/was.
I’ve always thought the “power structure” on the island was a trinity, though not in religious terms. There have been allusions to 3s—Mikhail’s chess program that was programmed by “three grand masters” and love triangles. I believe that either each of the Entities can summon the Smoke Monster to do their bidding or that Smokie is made up of three parts—one of each belonging to the Three Entities. After all, when Smokie hit the sonic fence, it broke into three parts. Sometimes it’s united in a common cause, other times, it’s not.
Event Probability Theory by Tyson
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I believe Cesar revealed a large piece of Lost theory when he was in Ben's office. He found a diagram in a folder that represented multiple events tied together via Real Time, Real Space and Imaginary Time, Imaginary Space. It also included Silent Interval along with proportional formulas written between Events. Then, what happened to Cesar??? He was killed almost immediately AFTER that reveal. What other purpose did Cesar serve??? None that I can think of. I have spent quite a bit of time making sense of event probability and how it ties in with time travel as well as other Lost events. I would provide more in-depth detail, but I have diagrams and such that I cannot post on here - so I may make a website and post the link instead ;)
Black smoke & White smoke..? by Alastor
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I posted this theory in another forum after the end of season 5 but since it is 'lost' there and very difficult for someone to come across I thought i should post it here as well..
We all agree I believe that at this point of the series there is a high possibility that the Mystery Man as some people like to call him is the smoke monster.A shape shifting entity that can take the form of people that are dead and whose dead body is on the island..So..this way he can have an anthropomorphic form and besides that interact with the people on the island and strategically create circumstances that favor him..Of course when he takes the form of a human he not only has his memory but also his name since he is bound to the consciousness of that person and he has to eat(something that would otherwise be strange for an entity that has no physical form).We have seen this three facts in the series,fist of all when he took the form of Lock he had his memories,secondly when he was Christian he said to Lock "I am christian" and also "say hello to my son" and thirdly both he and Jacob have to eat as we have seen at "the incident"...
Locke's "death" and Ben by Mr. Eko
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In this rather short theory, I am about to express my disbelief that the Makers could have done such a crime as killing the character on whom the whole series is built.
And who's that? I believe it is pretty obvious that I'm talking about the tormented character of John Locke.
So, I am one of those who believe that the Makers are rather smart guys. Only such could have taken the series so far as it has, without making it feel exaggerated or tiring. Thus, having already made two grave mistakes in the past (I'm referring to the killing of one of their most exciting characters -Eko- after roughly one season of appearances, as well as to the Locke-less first half of the 3rd season, which is by far the most disturbing period of the series), they have learnt 2 important lessons: i) Never kill the most interesting characters, and ii) never let Mr. Locke out of the plan. Thus, I can't help but hope that they haven't committed such a CRIME as killing off Locke, the spine of the series, revising both mistakes in the series' climax.
A THING THAT HAS GONE UNNOTICED by james
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hey this is my theory dont post many so im guessing it will sound stupid but whatever here i go...
I read many theories here on this site... just wanted to point something out that nobody ever talks about. Karl. Who the hell is he?
We have never been told where he is from, he was kinda mysterious character. he is just a teen on the island? how was he born and where was he born? Obviously ben hates him because of alex, but ben seems to really hate him.
The Third Entity by PkmnTrainer
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"The whispers have long been of intrigue to me, and I love reading the transcripts and trying to deduce theories from them. Now I think I have a half-decent one.
There's a third entity akin to Jacob and the Man in Black on The Island.
I do think this for a number of reasons, the first being the whispers wherein two male voices and a female voice have been heard by the Losties. Yet the female voice seems to be all for revealing herself or feels sad for our survivors, but is cautioned against it by the two males (Jacob & Man in Black) who seem to be more for manipulating things. I think she may be an underling, not as powerful as the men but still has a few tricks up her sleeve.
Who is Desmond? by Geej
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Out of all theories, I wonder who is Desmond? Where he comes from? Who are his parents? Have we ever seen him or Penny as kids? The further memories we've seen is him telling his ex fiancée that one day, he was engaged to her and the other day he woke up on a road and Brother Campbell came and saved him. What the hell?
Ok, maybe I haven't read all the theories so far and I'm late... but...
I think Charles Widmore is not Penny's biological's father. Remember he's not having any contacts with her?
Why the reset is MIB's loophole by The Von
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and argue that when Ajira landed on the island, they entered a reset time line where Jughead had been detonated and 815ers never crashed.
If Ben killed Jacob in the reset time line, then that would perhaps imply that the reset is what made this event possible.
Of course, the obvious complaint here is that Ben, Locke, et al don't appear to be in a reset time line in S5. The campsite clearly exists on this island, along with the hatch door.
Reconsidering the Events of Season 3 Part 3 by DaKlenke
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This theory is a direct continuation of the theory entitled Reconsidering the Events of Season 3 Part 2. If you have not read that theory than I strongly encourage you to do so, as this one would not make nearly as much sense without the previous context. Furthermore, Part 2 of this theory is of course a follow up to an original theory, Reconsidering the Events of Season 3, and in order for this entire theory to make sense, I recommend all three be read.
Part 2 of this theory left off with my interpretation of the events leading up to and through Charlie's death in Through the Looking Glass Part 2. In this theory, I would like to further clarify what I meant when I said that Charlie unjamming the signal in the Looking Glass and subsequently allowing for Jack to radio the freighter was a break in the intended timeline.
Reconsidering the Events of Season 3 Part 2 by DaKlenke
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For those of you who may not have read my previous theory, I would recommend doing so before reading this one, as I am sure it will help to better contextualize the following one. Furthermore, as with my last theory I would like to start by saying that I am aware that this idea may not be entirely original and if there is someone out there who has written a theory similar to this one, then hats off to you.
So today I decided to watch a little more Lost, and this time it is both Greatest Hits and Through the Looking Glass parts 1 and 2 that I will be focusing on. As a bit of a rehash for those of you who may not remember, Greatest Hits is a Charlie-centric episode in which two truly important events happen. The first is Jack introduces his plan to ambush the Others by using dynamite at the camp site. The second is Desmond has another flash (the only one we don't see) and then proceeds to tell Charlie that if Charlie does not sacrifice himself and turn off the jamming equipment in the Looking Glass, Desmond's vision of Claire and Aaron getting on the rescue helicopter will never happen.
Now for those of you who have read my previous theory, you will know that I believe that after the events regarding the fail-safe key and the Hatch implosion, Desmond flashed to an alternate reality in which he was given a second chance to relive his life differently. Because of Ms. Hawkings intervention, Desmond ends up making the same decision in regards to Penny that he did the last time, and shortly there after, our two timelines or realities if you will, reconverged.
Random Thoughts Theory by JaySin420
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First time posting here so go easy on me, I love the site and you all do great job with theories. Ok here goes....
I think we basically saw Jacob win when Juliet detonated the Jughead. He knew exactly what MIB had planned and instead of fighting it he literally sent Jack n co back to create a new reality so MIB doesn't win. I don't think MIB is bad at all, I think he is just tired of playing Jacobs game.
Not sure how it will get there exactly but I can now totally see the series ending with the opening pilot shot. I think alt Jack will have to die or something to return to the original timeline that we all know but this time when he wakes up in the bamboo he will realize his fate is on the island and will know what not to do this time. Possibly playing MIB to Locke's Jacob but I'm not going there right now.
One more thing and I'm stealing it from Fringe- Little Ben was killed by Sayid but Richard-who can possibly travel between realities brought back alt Ben-which is why his innocence was lost and wouldn't remember anything.
Jacob keeps trying by Sawyer
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Alright, so a lot of pivotal stuff happens in the season finale. The show starts right off with Jacob and the other man. (Credited as Samuel, thought to be named "Esau.") They're set with what's presumably The Black Rock out in the ocean. The other man says to Jacob "You brought them here, you're still trying to prove me wrong aren't you." Jacob says "You are wrong" and the other man says "Am I? They come, fight, they destroy, and they corrupt. IT ALWAYS ENDS THE SAME." (I'm putting the important parts in capitals) Jacob then replies "but IT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE (Time travel, continuous loop) anything that happens before is just progress." Then the other man continues to say he's going to find a loophole to kill Jacob.
What's all this mean? We go to the part where Ben kills Jacob. Right after Ben stabs Jacob, Jacob says to "Locke" (Who we assume is really the other man) "THEY'RE COMING."
John and Kate make Alternate............ by Ralph
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Okay....I'm watching,I'm watching, over and over again and something strikes me odd with Locke and Kate......
1st we will go with Kate(ladies first).....
I know that Kate uses alias but.....what if they are not aliases? What if every time we see SOME of Kate's flashbacks, they are actually alternate Kate's(Kinda like Jet Li in THE ONE,every alternate had a different name or variation of his name).I mean,sometimes Kate's back story is very blurred and makes no sense....
Desmond - the Example of What the Whole Show is About by Don't Tell Me
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Desmond is an example of what the entire show is going to be about by the time the last episode airs. That is that free will and change is better than doing what you're told to do. This is the revelation of Lost.
Remember the conversation Des had with the physicist in the bar? He told him about the outcome of the soccer game and had the wrong day. Another guy was supposed to get hit with the croquet thing. But what happened? Des got hit with it. He changed the past. OK - in a very small way, but he still changed what his memory told us had actually happened. This is Lost. Changing the past, having the free will to make your own decisions. "Don't Tell Me What I Can't Do."
Reconsidering the Events of Season 3 by DaKlenke
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Here is a relatively long theory that is refreshingly not revolved around the events of Season 5. Before I begin I do want to apologize if this has been said before; credit where credit is due and all that. Alright here goes.
So this evening I decided to rewatch some Lost and while deciding on which episode to watch, I stumbled first upon the Season finale of season 2 followed by Flashes Before Your Eyes.
Now for those of you who may not remember, the Season 2 finale was defined by argulably 3 major events; Walt and Michael escaping the Island, the love triangle being taken captive by the Others, and most importantly to this theory, the events leading up to and through Desmond turning the fail safe key.
LOST Tale of The Tape? by Sean
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Since "they're coming" and apparently there's gonna be a war or showdown of some sort, I was trying to figure out who was on each side. Here is what I have come up with:
Jacob "Esau"
I I
Richard Smokey
I I
Ben Linus Widomre
I I
Ajira Crew Mercenary Crew
I I
No I believe there to be some variables but first, what about the Others? If you think about it, there really hasnt been any individual character development of the remaining Others, so I feel that with one season to go, they, as a group, will tend to be "red shirted". Also, where are the castaways in all of this. This is where I believe them to be the variables. Who they decide to side with will have great rammifications on the outcome of the show. Also, other variables include, Eloise, Christian, the apparitions of Walt, etc. When we know more about their allegiances, this may look more definite. Let me know what you think.
Kate has always known by Sean
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Ok, so I have been rewatching LOSt from the beginning and you sure do look at things a lot differently. Anyway, especially during the first season, there are references made as to Kate knowing about the Island and about the monster. Specifically, I think the 4th episode, the monster is heard and I believe Jack says to Kate that she knows what is out there, to which she just awkwardly looks away. I think that, as a result of the Incident, Kate will be sent back to 09.22.04. Think about it, she always had to go on every A Team mission, she came out of the jungle, not the beach after the crash, she was the only one who was awake for the entire crash or so she says. Also, when Kate, Locke, and the rest encounter the sonic fence, she rather quickly comes up with the way to get through (or above it). How did she know that the fence did not go above the pylons? Because she has ahd previous experience with the fence in t! he past. Her character has always been somewhat shrouded in mystery and as you rewatch season 1, there are a good number of references to her having some sort of pre knowledge. How did she become such a good tracker? This was never really explained in the first 5 seasons. Here's how, because she has knowledge of the island already. Anywho, try to check out the first season again and let me know what you think.
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Jacob's touch LED to the original events we have already seen by dj_wilmington
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When Jacob goes around "touching" the various Lost characters, I think that he is actually altering the future in order to achieve the future outcome which we have already seen (Season 1-5). This is clearest for Sawyer who is on the brink of not writing the letter and setting out on his quest for revenge until he gets the pencil from Jacob. John Locke would have been dead or at least injured way worst than just paralyzed and thus would not have been so angry nor would he have even been able to travel to Australia for a Walkabout. Kate would have been caught, punished and learned her lesson and not stolen again as opposed to getting away with it with no consequences leading to her life of being on the run.
My take on what this year's puzzle will be by J@m!s0n
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I believe that the mystery to figure out and puzzle to solve this season is...
Well first let me give you examples from previous seasons:
Season 4 - When do these FlashForwards occur, was this BEFORE Jack and Kate were engaged, and/but/or AFTER Hurley saw Charlie in the Convenient Store?
Season 5 - What do all of these Time-Jumps wind up affecting in the past...what do they change, or, actually what was part of their Destinys all along to do (Sawyer held the rope during a time jump to Statue time, ancient folk found the rope in the ground, undug it, built well, found cave, made Frozen Donkey Wheel, DHARMA folk find it, build the Orchid, Ben goes to the wheel, turns it, sends Sawyer & crew through time where SAWYER EVENTUALLY HOLDS ON TO THE ROPE when they jump through time where the Ancient folk find it.)
Ben never lost favour by Ricardus Alpert
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Ben, along with the audience, has been led to believe that despite his loyal services to the island, he had lost favor with Jacob, who never cared for him.
Ben's assumption made sense to the audience, because most of us believed at that point that Ben was holding Jacob prisoner in the Cabin. We were also lead to believe that Jacob's new chosen one is John Locke. We, just like Ben, were wrong on both counts. It still seemed as if Jacob had disowned Ben, when he told him the infamous line that lead to the stabbing- "What about you?"
However, While watching Jacob's interaction with Ben in "The Incident", I realized that couldn't be further from the truth. Notice how respectful Jacob is of Ben during the whole conversation. Asking him if he likes the tapesry, reminding him that he has a choice. He even listened to Ben's entire rant with tears in his eyes, because he is genuinely sorry for hurting him, and knowing he has to do it once more to get Ben to do what needs to be done.
Why They Came To The Island by TheBlackRock
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I have a theory that I don't feel like blowing up into a massive thought process, but A Christmas Carol made me think of the whole "what could've happened" motif that the show has been pushing on us since they crashed in the beginning. It's so very obvious to us as viewers that every member of the cast really had nothing but bad things waiting for them if the plane had landed in LA. And as the show has gone on each of the cast has figured that out on their own starting with the un-paralyzed John Locke until most recently Jack. Everybody has come to realize that however terrible the encounters on the island have been, their lives are all considerably better than had they landed and led their lives without the crash. Jacob's encounter with each of them, I believe, is the defining point in that person's life that brought them to the island.
What Being LOST Means to Jack & John, Free Will by Alex
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I put this theory together from 3 different posts in a different theory. My comments strayed pretty far from that specific theory, but I was on a roll. I figured I would create a new theory - I think I bring up some points that aren't often covered in many theories. Enjoy, and please respond with thoughts!
Part I - Desmond can fix everything, Jack's decent into alcoholism, and Free Will.
You know, all of this could have been avoided if Desmond just married Penny to begin with - this all started with Eloise planting a seed of doubt into Desmond when he went to buy the ring, he was letting other people (pun intended) influence his decision making. She basically told him that he does not have free will and he believed in that. He still had a choice but what good is the choice if you are to believe it doesn't exist?
My final attempt to explain the need for a Tangential timeline... by Ricky
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This is to all who say that ALT means a RESET, and that WHH and ALT can't live in the same universe, and to the ones confused about the whole situation in general. This is my attempt to ease the minds of people that are either afraid of ALT or think it will upset them, or think it isn't possible in a WHH universe.
It has been recently considered that ALT means 4 different things:
1) RESET - A total negation of what we know has happened essentially a whole new show with the same character that we know. (Not happening Ladies and Gents.)
2) "Final Destination ALT" - An alternate timeline that will be corrected by course correction, (possible sure, but just the idea of this make me wanna vomit)
3) "A Christmas Carol ALT" (Ghosts of Past, Present, and Future scenario) - This is a better idea than the "Final Destination" idea but almost equally as sickening to me.
4) ALT, an alternate time line that sticks and becomes reality in the future, also a problem due to the paradoxes it creates. and the whole reason the RESET theory was bad.
Jacob, Smokey, and the MIB by K2daus
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This theory is not one about the overall story of LOST but more just about Jacob, Smokey, and the MIB. I, like many of you I'm sure, have been working my way back through the series during the hiatus. I got to Cabin Fever in season 4 and had a sort of crazy theory about these three pop into my head. Now to start off I don't write too much stuff on here but have been lurking around for quite some time. The general concensous about Jacob and the MIB seems to be that one is good, and one is bad, or that one sees people as good and one sees them as bad. I think that the later is more accurate and I will get into that in a second. You also probably noticed that I don't think that the MIB and Smokey are one in the same like a lot of you do. I have came across some interesting facts that to me at least point to them being two different entities. To start I think that these three have the same goal in mind; to lo! ok out for the well being of the island. Not necessarily protect it because that a lot of times implies keeping people away from it which is not what all of them want. This wording is also a direct quote from Locke when he is talking to Miles in the lake house during season 4 before he stuffs the grenade in his mouth. So based on my theory we have three "men" "things" whatever looking out for the well being of the island, cerebus anyone?? Nah just crazy talk there, on to my theory;
The final destination theory by willthereallockepleasestandup
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This theory if its right will explain most of what is going to happen in season 6.I think that the bomb did blow up.Miles was left and juliet died but everyone that was touched by jacob was transported into an alt. timeline.But it a little bit later after that i think we find out elloiuse turns the donkey wheel for some reason(maby to protect farraday?).And by turning the wheel which transports bernard and rose possibly back to the 50's where they die together and eventually come to be who we know as "adam and eve".I think everything that happened after 2004 when the plane crash never happend.But i strongly believe that that the events that happened before that like when they visited the past in 77 still happend.I think we will find that when they losties land in LAX they go about there lives and get a sort of "deja vu" like other theories have concluded.I know the producers have stressed desmond is "special" I ! think hes going to be the only one who still has his memory of what happend.The main part of this theory is that once they go about there lives time "course corrects" itself and everyone that died on the island will die in the real world in the same order that they died on the island.I think eventually desmond plays a huge part in the next season.I have not been able to come up with how it could possibly end yet.But im sure when I figure it out ill post it.Soooo comment and tell me what you think about this.
Anthony Cooper is not Lockes father by Monika
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John Locke was born in 1956.
Emily Locke was lets say 16 years old.
Her mother said: "He is twice your age"
Meaning he is around 30. Lets assume he is 32.
So Lockes father is born in 1924.
In 2004 he would be 80.
There is no way Anthony Cooper is 80 years old.
Numbers Transmission and the Game of Risk by Michael Aaron
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When Ajira Flight 316 was making its crash landing, we heard the transmission of the numbers coming from the radio tower. A lot of people have speculated that this indicates a "reset" or "ALT", but I think that someone simply restarted the transmission after it had been disabled. Consider this: the numbers are vastly important to the show, fully entrenched in the mythology; why would you assume the transmission of the numbers to be unimportant, leftover, a useless thing? Why would you assume that no one on the island took notice when the transmission stopped? I posit that someone DID take notice, and they eventually went to the radio tower and restarted the transmission. So there was no reset or ALT in effect when 316 crash landed.
ALT à là "Dark Tower" by Teo O
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Hi everyone,
It seems to me that we will see on the show something very similar to what happens in Stephen King's "The Dark Tower".
BY THE WAY, IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS THEORY, AS IT CONTAINS SPOILERS!!!
WHH vs ALT….A neutrals Perspective by Mark
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I’ve read on numerous threads the ongoing and quite comically heated debate about whether WHH is true or whether it is possible to change the past aka ALT. Personally I don’t mind either way as whichever way it turns out I’m confident that Darlton will make it work and I’ll love it.
However….if you held a flaming arrow to my head I’d have to say that I don’t believe WHH to be true as there are far too many instances that contradict it. I’ll list a few and if any WHHers would like to prove them wrong in the comments section I’ll be more than interested.
Noetic Science by Mark
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Apologies if this has already been mentioned but I believe that I have stumbled upon the governing theme of LOST!
I’ve just started to read the first few chapters of Dan Browns new book “The Lost Symbol”. I won't go into any details but I was reading a particular chapter early on in the book and came across the topic of Noetic Science and almost ever word of that chapter fitted perfectly with the weird and wonderful things we have been witnessing in LOST.
I decided to Wiki Noetic Science to learn a bit more about it and discovered that essentially it looks into the very real science of Intent. In other words the untapped potential of the human mind. It also refers back to numerous ancient texts ranging from the Egyptians and Romans to Jewish Mysticism and Pagan beliefs. All of these texts believed in universal connections and atonement (at-one-ment!).
The Incident & Jacob's Touch by Flashbax
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There seems to be a lot of theories recently about the losties flashing to 815 and 815 landing in LAX. I briefly commented on someone’s theory why I felt this was irrational, but since the hiatus is in full swing, figured I might as well write a theory for other content-starved people like myself.
The general consensus seems to be that the Swan implosion experienced by Desmond and the Incident experienced by the losties are the same, judging by the white flash and EM/radiation at the site.
Let's examine the Swan implosion with Desmond for a minute. I believe that the Swan implosion caused a flash that enabled Desmond to consciousness travel to his past, events that have already happened in his life. The implosion/flash itself did not change anything; rather, the flash gave Desmond a second chance to make different choices and decisions in his past. The slight changes Desmond makes/causes are evidenced by the encounter with Hawking and the bar scene.
Make your own kind of Music by brightstar
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Not much of a theory as something I just noticed....sorry if anyone has already pointed this out. But it seems that TPTB told us long ago that Desmond's and Juliet's lives would parallel. The song "Make your own kind of Music" is both the song we hear in Juliet's book club flashback and in Flashes Before Your Eyes........both times Desmond is in the bar and waiting for proof that he isn't imagining the future. If you look at the lyrics of the song they specifically point to a person's ability to make their own choice in a situation. I think the combination of Desmond and Juliet's choices will shape Season 6.
Alternate Reality vs. Time Travel by Liam McCarthy
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Many people tend to think that the incident caused the characters to enter a new reality where the island is blown up and oceanic 815 lands in LAX. This sounds like it would be the most logical answer, but we both know that when we feel right about something on LOST something tends for it to go the opposite way. But what if the incident just causes the losties to travel back to 2004 with their memories intact to Los Angeles, where they were supposed to be if oceanic 815 never crashed.
The Error by System1988
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This is the last theory I will post this week. I got tired of trying to sort out LOST lol!
Ok, here we go, my theory revolves around a subject that, as far as I am concerned, has not been explored enough.
It can be summed In one simple question:
What did our Losties do wrong and they try to fix?
Wow, even asking it gives me a headache. So let’s start from what we know:
1) LOST is in a loop
2) So far the whatever happened, happened theory is wrong. Daniel’s neck wound from Razinsky did not exist back when he first met Jack. Check the Variable episode and try to prove me wrong I dare you :)
Desmond by Good Dearhl
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Since the rules don't apply to Desmond something has to happen with him right? We have already seen Faraday change the future with Desmond whats to say it cant happen again? I don't know how, I haven't thought about it that much honestly, but somehow the characters will get to Desmond while he is on the island and explain everything to him. Desmond will be forced back to the island (in the present...right after Flocke killed Jacob) to save his friends because of the new "memory" that just popped into his brain. There is no way that his story is over and Eloise even told him the island wasn't done with him yet. Desmond is to important (and to well liked by the fans!) not to play a role in how this whole confusing mess, which has every single one of us posting theories, ends with a bang!!!
Jack Knows Everything part 2 by System1988
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I am writing this theory as a more far- fetched add to my previous one “Jack knows everything” , sorry these past few ours I am brainstorming and things keep coming to me :) If you can keep up with my insane pace you are far strong hearted men than I am :) This is a long theory.
Ok so in the finale of season 5 we are introduced to the archetype nature of the “game” the characters of this show are pieces of.
2 Sides
One is white
One is dark
Consciousness Swapping from the Beginning by AbsoluteTruth
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This is based upon a few speculative theories that there could be some kind of time travel similar to Desmond's in "The Constant" this coming season. I will not be exactly predicting what will happen, as much as I am predicting the story telling mode that will be used.
Because our Losties were so close to the release of the energy in the "Incident", it is logical to assume they could end up like Desmond did when he turned the failsafe key.
THE FUTURE OF LOST PART II by LOSTFANCHRIS
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I posted a theory the other day on what I think happened after the Incident and how season six would start off regarding the WHH v. ALT theories that we all have been speculating for some time now. Before I continue with this new theory about the final season I want everyone to know my credentials regarding my research.
I have watched LOST from the pilot and have done a total of 3 re-watches this year alone, one pre-season 5 and two post-season 5. With that in mind, I also want you to know that I have read a number of books on the LOST book club list including The Dark Tower III, A Brief History in Time, The Chronicles of Narnia, Catch-22, Bad Twin, Our Mutual Friend, The Odyssey, The Shape of Things To Come, Of Mice and Men, A Wrinkle in Time, A Tale of Two Cities and Everything That Rises Must Converge.
This is more of speculation theory so bare with me and enjoy …
Jacob killed esau by willthereallockepleasestandup
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First off im going to start with Jacob and esau. When they were talking on the beach in the finale esau said he would eventually find a loophole and kill jacob.Why does he need a loophole and why does he hate jacob so much.I think he needs a loophole because he himself is actually dead and therefore can't harm jacob.Also I think jacob was the one who killed him.Something that supports this could be the brainwash video that said "god loves you as he loved Jacob".Notice it says "loved" that could be because of him murdering easu. I think what he did was that he burnt him alive took his ashes and sprinkled them where his cabin is to trap him there. And also the smoke that came from the body burning caused black smoke somehow making him the monster.I think he could use the smoke monster form of him while he was stuck in the cabin.But when he was released he could start possesing bodies.I think whoever stepped through! the ashes released him.When Illana or whatever her name is and her people went to the cabin they were looking for esau and panicked when he wasnt there.I think that when locke and ben went to visit jacob they actually visited esau.The explains "help me" and also esau in season 5 looks like the mysterious man in the cabin.
Jack Knows Everything by System1988
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9/16/2009 11:40:00 AM
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OK this IS a pretty far- fetched theory of mine but just follow me on this one:
Jack is the main protagonist of the show that much is clear. The show started with him, the final season starts with him, LOST will end with him.
The main factor about being the protagonist of such a show comes with a price and many many many responsibilities (character and real- life).
Mathew Fox has many times hinted that he knows how all this is going to end. Well to me he does not only speak as Mathew Fox but also as Jack Sheppard when he talks Nostradamus to the fans. This is maybe the only privilege Mathew has as a main protagonist: He knows everything. And he knows everything as Jack also.
Jacob Is Good For Humanity, Bad For The Island. MIB - Vice Versa by Jonathan
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9/16/2009 10:43:00 AM
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I've been rewatching everything with my girlfriend (she's a newbie) and we just got to the first three episodes of season 5 last night.
I saw something VERY interesting.
This is not verbatim but not far off...
Richard said to Faraday in 1954 that "18 soldiers from the American Military came to the island, I asked them to leave and they refused, so I was forced to kill them all."
Daniel then questions Richard, "Forced? Who forced you?"
Richard hesitates then says, "Look you answer to someone, we all have to answer to someone, I do too."
LOST Ultimate Theory by Pi Squared
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9/16/2009 09:55:00 AM
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Hi guys, I’m new here, but I’m a huge fan of LOST from Bulgaria. I’ve been visiting darkufo for a long time, reading stuff, watching promos and so on, and I’ve came up with a theory about a lot of stuff. The following pages is what I think is going to happen in this final season of LOST. I'm sure most of the stuff are going to be proven wrong, but some of them might be right. (Who knows?) I have made my theories in groups, so - happy reading and please feel free to comment...
The Island:
Now, the island is special: it has a LOT of energy in it. A LOT OF! Because of that energy it can move in space, time, even Universes. That solves for polar bears (moving somewhere cold in space, then back on the Equator or somewhere), time-traveling and alternate Universes (which we'll almost certainly see in S6). The stuff releasing this energy we've seen so far are the Frozen Donkey wheel, the fail safe key and “Jughead” (probably). Let’s imagine that the island is the main battlefield between good and evil something like chessboard and Jacob and MIB are the players. Now the game must have some origin, rules and aims. Let’s explore them…
The Return of Desmond by JohnLockeAmericanHero
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Locke and Desmond are my favorite characters on Lost and I have an interesting take on how Desmond's role on the show might work.
Desmond was told by Eloise that "the island isnt done with you yet".
It appeared as if the producers were setting up The Variable to be an episode which might have hinted at Desmond's return to the Island. It was not. If anything, it was almost a solidified ending to his story. Whether or not this has anything to do with Henry Ian Cusick's legal issues, is beyond me.
Narrative device for season 6: Recontextualization by BenHasAPlan
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This isn't so much a theory on plot specifics, but on the type of narrative devise they may use in season 6. I thought of this yesterday and didn't post it. But as it seems some of the set reports are strongly supporting it today, I feel the urge to post now.
I think season 6 could be a season of recontextualizing. Exploring scenes and timelines we're familiar with but by exposing another layer of what was going on. It will be WHH on crack. Season 5 gave us our first real taste of this:
As Desmond Goes, So Go The Rest by tez360
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Desmond Hume has often been the forerunner of major paradigm shifts. When he turned the failsafe key, the Swan energy hurled his consciousness back in time, allowing him to reexperience his past but with the knowledge he'd gained in the future. (Not knowing anything about time travel, he didn't have a lot of luck altering things.)
The conflict lies between destiny and free will. Desmond was told (by Mrs. Hawking) that the universe course-corrects. He knew that Charlie was doomed to die. But Charlie is the perfect example of Jacob's 'free will' mantra: yes, certain things are meant to happen, but we can choose the MANNER in which they happen.
How did the Black Rock find its home? by Koviak
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Well, I can't say im in rewatch mode just yet. My girlfriend hates how I theorize and talk about Lost like I do...So I need a vent...
The Black Rock....
That being said I have watched every episode of Lost, and am familiar to say the least about the BLACK ROCK. At the moment, I have just watched 'The Brig' from season 3, and thought for a moment about 'will the black rock be answered in season 6?'
Imagine this --- After the initial scene in "The Incident" which featured Jacob and MIB...So we don't know what else happened that day as what we all assume to be the Black Rock. Imagine a fight errupts, MIB knocks out Jacob, and takes form as the smoke monster...
I believe that Jacob is Aaron OR Charlie (Desmond's son) by JFar
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This is purley a "hunch" -- I base it on his looks. Blond hair, his coloring, and the fact that he was born on the island.
Being born on this island has special significance, and I believe that issue will be played out in someway in S6.
Also I believe the scene where Claire and Christian are in the cabin with Locke, Claire appears to be as cool as ever. Not like she just was seperated from her son. She knows something about her "son" by this scene. Aaron is very very very important to the storyline of Lost.
What Jack Sees by JohnLockeAmericanHero
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9/15/2009 08:59:00 PM
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Okay so I've been doing some thinking. Jack's eye was the opening of the show. It seems to have great importance. So if/when Jack "reset" time to pre-crash, then maybe he is going to get to see how things would turn out. It really goes back to Jack and Kate's talk in Follow The Leader. Kate pleads with Jack to tell him that everything that happened wasn't all bad, to which Jack replies "enough of it was."
I think that the Island, whether through Jacob or MIB, is going to be showing Jack exactly what would happened had the Island never been a part of the 815ers lives. Sort of like It's A Wonderful Life, but The Island is the forgotten character.
Jack Will Die by Locke4God
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9/15/2009 06:36:00 PM
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It's been a question for some time as to whether Jack will have to make the ultimate sacrifice by the end of the show. I think he will.
Why?
Well lets start off with his relationship with Kate. Kate the heroine of the show, and Jack the hero. In any story you've ever heard of, it's very very rare that the hero doesn't get the heroine in the end.
Unless of course, the hero tragically dies. Does that mean Jack will die? No, but,,,
Exotic Matter Grand Theory by IllyriaLegacy
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9/15/2009 05:52:00 PM
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In the episode "There's No Place Like Home", the DI video specifically said the experiments near the donkey wheel involved "exotic matter" that the island was emanating. This is the first time that they described the island's energy as something different than electromagnetic. Perhaps that revelation is a key clue that explains why the island can do what it does and is so important.
So, what is exotic matter? If you google it, you'll find that exotic matter is not actually something specific; it's a class of various hypothetical matter whose defining characteristic is that they defy certain fundamental laws of physics. While it's mostly theoretical, scientist have explored whether certain kinds of exotic energy could allow all sorts of far out stuff including faster than light speed and time travel. In a show that's all about bizarre phenomenon, that's a very intriguing class of matter. (It's also interesting to note that the one real-world phenomenon that could fall under the umbrella of exotic matter is called "the Casimir effect" and is specifically mentioned by Pierre Chang in that same DI video.)
Malkin Explained via Jacob & Esau by Mr. Jacob
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One of the most puzzling mysteries of LOST also happens to be one its oldest. It was only 10 hours into Season One that we were intrigued by the mysterious powers and motives of Claire's psychic, Richard Malkin.
Here's what we know thus far: once pregnant, Claire went to get a psychic reading from Malkin to learn about her unborn child. Malkin became distressed by something he saw. Then, for four months, he continuously and obsessively told her not to give the baby up for adoption (as she had been planning to do). But the day before Oceanic 815 departed, he completely reversed his stance and instructed Claire to give the baby to a couple in Los Angeles, insisting that she had to take that particular flight.
Desmond, Locke and Eko VS Juliet Miles, Sawyer and Jack by Notlrac
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9/15/2009 05:29:00 PM
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Hi!
Did you really remember the final of season 2??
Desmond turns the key and he is the only one to "mind travel"...
Locke and Eko are near but they aren't "mind travelling"...
So, What about our Losties?
The only one that is living the same thing as Desmond is Juliet... She's in the middle, in the center of the explosion, not Sawyer, not Jack, not Kate...
I think only Juliet will "mind travel", all the others might get about the same consequences as Locke and Eko after the implosion of the Swan...
If we go from there...
THE FUTURE OF LOST by LOSTFANCHRIS
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This is my ultimate ideology of the upcoming events on LOST. I give credit to anyone who feels this idea comes from them, I am not plagiarizing, and we are all a part of the LOST community and were all just bringing our ideas together. I have read a lot of theories on this website and I’m sure all of your ideas have stuck in my head but I assure you this one was created by mine lmao.
SIDENOTE: When I refer to our “LOSTIES” I mean ONLY the ones in 1977 that were touched by Jacob; Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Jin and Hurley. Juliet and Miles will be discussed at the end of my theory.
I’ve given this a lot of thought but I will keep it as short as possible so bare with me...
What Will Happen To Miles by Question Mark
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9/15/2009 08:57:00 AM
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A number of theories have tried to forecast what has happened to the Losties after the bomb exploded, and if they'll be sent forward in time from 1977 to 2007. Jacob's touch as been posited as the reason that they'll be able to move in time, or retain their memories in the event of a time reset, etc.
But those theories only seem to apply to Jin, Sayid, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Jack --- the original Losties who were on Flight 815 in the first place. There were two characters in 1977 that Jacob didn't touch. One was Juliet, who we can presume (?) is dead. The other is Miles, who is apparently alive and well. We never saw a flashback of Jacob touching Miles, so if his touch can have some kind of magical effect, it won't do anything to Miles.
What S6 will use instead of flashbacks/forwards & why? by morningdrums
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** I'm a new reader here, and while avid, if I regurgutate anything that's been overly pressed here and don't stir anything new theory wise, I apologize. Give me a chance thought =) **
I recently read a theory on this page that I thought was very good. Of course, like we all do, it bent a bit to reach it's points perhaps, but we'd all love to be right. We all want the answer. Answers.
I'll use the theory I read (I apologize for not remembering the poster's name) as a diving board to expand into mine. Or maybe this is a combo of two threads I read. Anyhowwwww...
Ecko in "The Cost of Living" by MattD
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I was rewatching "the Cost of Living" episode from Season 3 tonight, the one where Ecko is killed by the smoke monster. This I suppose is not a true theory, but collaboration for ideas relating to the nature of the smoke monster/ MIB and Locke's relationship. Here's what I observed:
1. Yemi says to Ecko that he must be judged (echoes of Ben going to be judged by the smoke monster).
2. Yemi says to Ecko that "you talk to me like I am your brother", and as he says so he looks so spiteful and disgusted with Ecko. It reminds me very much of MIB's complete disdain for the coming Black Rock crew when he was talking with Jacob on the beach.
Locke is not MiB or Smoke Monster by Monika
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9/14/2009 10:49:00 PM
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From now on I will write theories on Locke only...lol
I believe Locke is not MIB. It is my belief. You can agree or disagree with me. It will probably be the second one. I base my evidence on show and the conversation I heard. Conversation between Jacob and MIB at the beginning of the Incident.
MIB: Do you have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?
JACOB: Yes.
MIB: One of these days, sooner or later... I'm going to find a loophole, my friend.
JACOB: Well, when you do, I'll be right here.
Let me repeat the last thing MIB said.
JACOB: Well, when you do, I'LL BE RIGHT HERE.
Shoegirl927’s rambling, questions and a little bit of theorizing by shoegirl927
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First let me start of with my feelings towards a “reset”. I have to admit that I will be a little disappointed in this storyline, only because I feel that if we have a reset and Flight 815 lands in LA we have to deal with the whole “do they remember everything? crap” and then regardless of that, we then have to wait for them to “go back”… didn’t we just have this plot in season 5? My only hope is that they do have their memories and that if there is a reset, there will be some quick way (like within the first 5 episodes) to sync these timelines up… whether it is through Jacob or a flash or another flight back.
Second, I think that it might be a good idea to play “writer” for a minute. Now I know everyone will say “But we’re not writers… how could we know what they would do?”. I for one think most avid “LOST” fans could outline an episode of “LOST” rather well and some of the theories I have read on here proves that many people could actually write for “LOST”. What would be the best idea for storyline purposes but still have a “WTF” moment for fans during the first few scenes of the season premiere? I leave this question up to someone with more capable writing skills to tackle this one, but if I had to guess, I would say that it will “appear” to be a reset and we will see the aftermath of the bomb exploding on the island aka “ another purple sky” and our 815’ers will disappear from 1977 because they are now in LAX. Notice that I say “appear” to be…only because I don’t think it would be that simple.
