How to kill a god by Daddyk Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 09:10:00 PM View Comments

Lost has become a vast canvas of a show that seems to be about everything as far as I can see. One of the colours of this canvas is duality. Science/faith, good/bad, black/white.
Maybe it’s more about the differences of these opposites rather than the polarity of them. Imagine for a moment that the island of lost was the place where creation began. Maybe at that moment god over egged the pudding a little bit and what he created was two realities. In this other reality that mirrors our reality the people there must have a god too. Wouldn’t that god be a mirror image of our god; his polar opposite. So if our kind was benevolent would their god be malevolent. God, we are told loved man. What is the opposite of love? Hate? No, it’s indifference. Hate means you still care about the object of the emotion even if it’s in a negative way. Indifference means just that, you just don’t care. Does this sound like the mib. I know he hates Jacob, but his attitude towards people sounds pretty indifferent to me.
Earlier I spoke of the differences between duality rather than the opposites aspects of polarity. Let me expand on this.
Science and faith. Or do I mean big bang vs creationism.
There are some scientists now who are starting to say that there is no reason why god cannot have a place in science. In the field of quantum physcis the hunt is on for the god particle also know as the higson boson particle. In a labrotory somewhere under a mountain they are trying to recreate the big bang with a device called a large hadron collider. The reason they are trying to do this on a small scale is because it’s the only way to examine the god particle(so called because it is the reason why matter has mass).
Wait a minute hasn’t lost had a bif bang of it’s own. Or two.
When Desmond turned the failsafe.
When Juliet took a rock to jughead.
Maybe Desmond woke up in an alternate world.
Maybe an alternate version of Desmond woke up in our world and had a baby with penny. Maybe that child straddles two realities because of it. Does anyone remember the look on bens face when he saw Aaron just before he tried to shoot penny. I don’t know a out you but to me that was a look of wonder. A happy look. When ben had our losties at the marina, the ones from the list I started to think that the reason he had them there was because they were from a different reality. Maybe that’s why some losties flashed from flight 316 or more importantly why some did not.
Albert Einstein had a theory called unified field theory. Einstein was trying to unify the general theory of relativity with ELECTROMAGNETISM. He never got to proof this theory,unfortunetly he caught a terminal case of death.
The next part is rumour rather than sheer speculation.
Anyone ever hear of the philidelpia experiment. The story goes that the American mitary employed the services of a Serbian scientist called nickola tesla(he was played by Bowie in the film the prestige) to conduct experiments on a ship either in or called philidelpia(im very very hungover and going from memory so no nerds getting too pedantic on the finer points just go with the flow and you get the gist of my ideas). Tesla was tryin g to prove einsteins theory. What happened was supposdedly the ship jumped to interdimensional space landed beside a Japanese warship and jumped back to it’s starting point. Observers say that the ship faded out of picture for a second. Reports claiming to come fron people onboard claim that the ship became see through and when it became solid again arms and legs had sunk through metal while it was invisible and fused with it when it became solid. The experiment was too try and render the ship invisible to radar. Years later when he should! have been long dead tesla was rumoured to have worked on project montauk. I’m not sure what the point of the project was but two seamen on the philidelpia ship are supposed to have jumped overboard in the fortys and landed in montauk in the late seventies I think in teslas lab. So did this unified theory give us a way to move through space AND time. You see somethings always struck me about lost (well not always) but there are certain scenes and lines of dialogue that just don’t seem to fit and they stick out like a sore thumb. Desmond to Jack in the stadium, you have to raise it up. Jacob to Jack at the hospital, somtimes you have to push. Jack with the grizzly adams beard and then the shorter one. Forevermore tone known as jacks weird beard. Anyway I think that scenes are different iterations of our losties trials and tribulations. I don’t think that this loop is necessarily evidence of a time loop. I think it could be either a time loop or a alternative/parallel r! eality loop or a mixture of both.
But those two lines of dialogue one from Desmond and the other from Jacob, both to Jack sound to me like Instructions. Which brings me to a third loop theory. I have long suspected that observation plays a big part In lost. What I mean by that is that I feel our losties have been under observation by someone or being that has remained unseen. In the incident we saw some evidence of this with Jacob visiting different charecters of island. To act like you are unware of someone watching you constantly when you ARE aware of this is difficult. What if our losties have code or knowledge that they will need at some point written into their subconcious. Or what if the loop is the conciousness traveling in a loop.
Des cartes philosophical equation of existense was I think therefore I am. I ask the question now did god create man or did man create god. I ask this because at this point In time I think the show will end with one of our losties being asked to kill a god. How is this done. Well if you don’t believe in god does he cease to exist? Or maybe if there are two gods the only way you can physcially kill one is if you are not his creation, in other words not from his reality. I think in the last episode there will only be three losties left Jack hurley and walt. Will Jack (he walks among us but is not one of us) kill a god. Will walt(who seems to able to move around time and space) kill god. Will Hugo (with his determination to be honest) have to choose which god lives or dies. Or if your from an alternate reality will the universe course correct your arse out of existense. When god is dead will one of our losties evolve to his throne in a the king is dead long live the king k! inda way. Anyway that’s it just remember all you pedantic nerds out their it’s the gist of the theory that’s important, not the details. I’m very hungover and there was no research done on this other than what i could extract from my sore head.

What they meant when they said Season 6, would feel like Season 1 by Locke4God Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 08:33:00 PM View Comments

Remember Season 1? What was it about?

It was about the trials of several dozen stranded characters, their ability to live together, and also the regrets and mistakes of their lives before. It was about you, reflecting on your own life or symathizing with a character you may have shared something in common with. Ultimately it was purely about characters.

As the seasons progressed, that ideas grew organically, gaining mystery while giving clarity and resolve to each character's personal issues. And then finally we were relieved of our character's pasts to be introduced to their futures. The show spiralled quickly into a new form of mystery and forshadowed an deepening element of science-fiction.

So what's left? Answers right? And how about the lingering questions of what many of characters have and ourselves have been wondering all along. What are they doing there?

The show is about to take us back to a feel of season 1, because it has to get back to a character centric focus in order to show us how they come to realize their true destiny, and how that effects who they are. The show was always primarily about what lessons they've learned and even the new elements that include philosophical debate further indicate that we are going to find out why they've become who they are, and not just what they've become.

They're each going to have to make decisions, and those decisions are going to culminate with, or because of their character arcs that have grown both on and off the island. The essence of each character that we saw in season 1, and we watched grow the next 4 years, are going to impact the crictical decisions that each of them make in season 6.

And that's how Season 6 is going to resemble Season 1

Little eloise And Lost by kastrato Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 08:28:00 PM View Comments

I would like to write my thoughts about whats i think is happening to my favorite tv serie.Its my first atempt ,be kind.
The theory is based on little eloise's experiment.

The mouse Eloise's mind sent to the future and her twin sister's mind transferd to the past.
she has forgot a part of her past,she has forgot the right labyrinth path.She has the memory of her "twin sister" and kind of a chance of a new Destiny.
I beleive thats exactly what our losties being through since season 1.
The oceanic 815 are losties twin brothers and sisters,With memories from their past selfs.
Only now the oceanics has extra memory in a past time and that memory transfers to their future selfs and they will remember.
See Locke (for some Flock),he completes the circle of his past self by telling Alpert to remove the bullet and help his past self.He is interesting
to do that even the past is past,the oceanics are in Darma time already Sawyer and his team are saved too(who else could help the recrute of the oceanics),
He stills does his work but he cares for his past too and thats new Locke.
Thats why he says to Alpert "tell him that he have to die",so he re optains his destiny soul as the first one(when Locke killed by Ben)
just in case he needs it .if hE dies at 2007.

Theory of Everything - My Lost Explanation by JacobsDoubleWide Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 08:22:00 PM View Comments

I love the theories on here, but I think they have made Lost much more complicated than it is. Here is my idea of what is going on, I hope you like it:

The Island is controlled by (or is) a giant network of computers with a central "brain". It is powered by the electro-magnetic energy that is on The Island. I don't know when the Brain was created, but the people controlling it have long since died and it is running on its own. This "brain" controls everything that is seen and heard (animals and voices - whispers), it controls the weather, it even can contol weapons, disease, dreams and visions. The Island Brain can tap into communications devices like the speakers in the Swan and Hydra and the computer in the Swan that spoke to Michael. The Smoke Monster is controlled by the Brain and acts like eyes, ears, and hands, if necessary. The Island can be moved in time and space because anything that has already occurred (when and where) on the Island can be revisted within the "program" or the Brain's memory. The FDW is a manual way to randomly (I think) cause a reset of sorts within the Brain and on The Island.

The Brain has set-up a giant game (as most have deduced) where Jacob and MIB are the pieces created by the Brain and all the other people that have been to the Island are sort of like other parts of the game like the dice in backgammon. I'm not sure if the Brain is playing against itself or if there are 2 Brains each controlling a piece (Jacob or MIB) or if Jacob and MIB are actually the players. Early people who visited the Island viewed the Brain as a kind of ghost-in-the-machine and they worshipped it and made sacrifices to it to prevent it from killing them, not realizing they were a part of a game and this did not matter. The Brain will not stop playing the game until the game has been won by some side and then it will start the game over. Jacob seems to think there is a way to beat the game and stop the Brain using people and their free will, while MIB also thinks the game can be beaten, but it is by destroying the other piece (Jacob).

The Brain set the rules and the rules cannot be broken (but there are loopholes in all rules). Once the pieces are chosen, they cannot get out of the game until there is no more use for them (i.e. michael cannot kill himself, Jack cannot kill Locke, if the Brain has chosen someone to die, they will - Charlie, Alex, etc.) and then the way out seems to be death. There are some people in the game that seem to be trying to end the game or at least they think they have a plan. Ellie and Widmore try Desmond, Faraday, the Losties, Locke, but so far they have not been succesful and the things that have happened in the game keep happening. The Others seem to just do the bidding of the Brain and protect the Island while the game is in progress, this is what they think they must do to appease the Brain and not be killed. Dharma thought they could use the Island and its properties to save the world, but it turns out they were being used in the game. The Brain led Radzinsky to the Swan ! site, had him build it, had him then create the button, then spoke to him through the computer and made him kill himself (or it spoke to Inman and Inman killed Radzinsky).

The Brain allows Jacob and MIB certain "powers". Jacob can leave the Island, both can take the form of people, etc. The Brain has used Vincent, Hurley Bird, Walt, Whispers to watch and manipulate the people of the Island. The Brain can use its power to predict moves and outcomes. People exposed to high levels of the same electromagnetic energy that powers the computer (like Desmond) can tap into these "visions" and make counter moves. The Brain is powerful, however, and can counter these counter moves with "course corrections" to still reach its desired outcomes.

The Brain is located at the Temple and the only way to stop the game is to destroy the Brain (maybe Richard will end up being the Brain's main protector/rules official). The Brain can save people (like Ben) or it can manipulate people (like Rousseau's team) but those people are forever a part of the game at that point no matter what. Jacob thinks the Brain can be stopped (perhaps using visions like Desmond, except he will keep trying and not just allow things to happen that will help the Brain). Jacob allows MIB to achieve his loophole knowing that that could give the Losties an opening to stop the Brain. The Brain will most likely have to be destroyed to be stopped and to save everyone currently involved in the game (and maybe those previously involved). Rose and Bernard just quit the game, but that will not save anyone - maybe if everyone just quit the game it would stop and this could be a metaphor for life: Quit playing the game of trying to be on top and hurting people ! to get there, just take it easy and treat people well and live your life in peace. (I am on my way to hug a tree).

Predictions:

Season 6 will show the start of the game (maybe when the Brain was created or at least when it malfunctioned and started this game), it will show in detail Jacob's plan to stop the Brain (and we'll see MIB's loophole moves), it will show the Brain choose a replacement for the player Jacob (Locke?, Lapidus?), and finally we will see the Brain destroyed (maybe). I think that the numbers will be integral in destroying the Brain (maybe a passcode of some kind and Hurley will play a large part, no pun intended).

I guess this was complicated too, but I hope you like it and I look forward to your comments.

--JDW

WHH, ALT, or RESET? So many questions... by Utterly Lost Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 07:25:00 PM View Comments

OK, after reading a billion theories, I think have more questions than ever. Forgive me for the length, scatter-brainedness, and if I repeat an idea you've mentioned, but here are some of the many issues I have with the theories on season six.

First, as Miles foreshadowed, there is the obvious question that has divided the debate into two camps: Did the losties setting off the nuke stop the incident (ALT/reset), or did it create it (WHH)?

WHATEVER HAPPENED, HAPPENED?

Based on many others’ theories and evidence, I almost buy into the idea of WHH, except for a few problems: If it worked, then they died, since WHH and dead is dead in a single timeline. How then will we see all of these and the other old characters in the final season (unless they suddenly flash with no reset/alt timeline, or are dead and ghosts, which both seem to be lame magical solutions rather than plausible ones).

This is the main issue, but there are also issues of paradoxes, some of which I’m not convinced that they will ever be able to rectify (as mentioned in another person’s theory).

One paradox here would be that the incident always happened, even though it hadn’t happened yet for Jack, Kate, sawyer, etc. It would seem that prior to them setting off the nuke, the event shouldn’t have happened yet…but it DID? I suppose the Lost producers have already rectified this issue in other instances, however, such as Ben’s shooting, where he does appear to remember the event in question. So in other words, even though the Losties haven’t experienced it yet, those past events always happened, and can be remembered by people who had experienced them in their past (right WHHers?).

But then another question pops up in my head: Why does Ben seem to have always remembered being shot by Sayid, whereas Desmond only remembered meeting Locke (during the flashes) later in the future at a seemingly arbitrary time, and in the form of a dream. Wouldn’t Desmond have always remembered that experience, because in a singular timeline, whatever happened, happened, right? (Any input on this would be great).

PLANNING BY MIB OR JACOB’S WORK?

Next, before even delving into the possibilities of alternate timelines or a reset, there is another huge question, perhaps the biggest question that has been debated very little.

It seems that the MIB has done much to get his loophole and put himself into his current position. He even goes as far as saying something like “you have no idea” how much he’s done to get this all in motion. So my next question is: To what degree has the MIB meddled in the lives of the losties to achieve his ends?

We all know that Jacob was a pushing force to getting the Losties to the island both times (visited Hurley before the 316 flight), but what’s interesting is; the events leading to the 316 flight seemed to be part of the MIB’s plan. He was the one that had Richard tell Locke that he had to die, which inevitably led to the return of the Losties to ’77. But was this a negative side effect or part of his plan all along? Since he’s had complete forsight thus far, he must have known that this was going to happen as a result, even though Jacob is the one who says “they’re coming”.

Of course, the MIB’s ultimate end was getting Locke to die and return, so that he may use the body to manipulate Ben, but I wonder much about who is behind the Losties going back. If it is Jacob (as one would assume), then how could the MIB not know his plan would lead to their return? Maybe he’s not scared by Jacob’s threat after all.

ALTERNATE TIMELINE

I tend to lean in this direction (although it would be somewhat disappointing that they might have zero challenges in explaining many weird past occurrences; i agree with others it would seem too easy to rectify everything) But I’ll leave the speculation on this to all of you, as I’m still not completely sold on this theory either.

However, the ALT theory seems to be the only one in which the original timeline can be preserved, while still allowing for alternate circumstances to occur and old characters to exist at the same time.

And as many bloggers, Matthew Fox have mentioned, the two timelines then merge together, and Desmond would seem the likely candidate, having existed on both the island and in the original timeline (or maybe multiple timelines too?; I know some have speculated on that).

Aside from the producers stating that there won’t be alternate timelines, I guess one of the biggest issues with this theory arises from the barracks scenes where it seems that things have changed in the original timeline. This would imply an allout reset, right?

Like many others, I am not a fan of an allout reset that would change and negate everything that has happened on the island already, but with that piece of evidence, it’s harder to argue with.

I guess my final question then is, how can they possibly rectify all these issues (and many more) without negating the history of the show, but still bring back the old characters without a lame magical solution… can’t wait to find out!

Season 1 by Monika Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 07:01:00 PM View Comments

OK here we go..I will try to be as simple as I can.

I am tired of WH,H, alternative reality, parallel universe etc.
I want to say what have I been thinking this whole time since season 5 started. Since they introduced time travel in this show (although they repeatedly denied the possibility) I was wondering why show us two different ways? Conciseness time traveling and physical time traveling? Whats the point in having Desmond? I was riddled..
After seeing "The Incident" it never crossed my mind, not in any point that Jacks "brilliant" plan will actually work. Since we know that the bomb never went off. So thats WH,H. And in this case I stick to it. Because the idea of hydrogen bomb getting of means that every single person on that island is dead. Meaning the finale of season 5 is the end of Lost. Could be. Unlikely.
The white light riddles me too. Because it is second time I saw the same white light around the Swan hatch. And lets not confuse this light with the FDW light. I think these are two different lights. They look the same but their effect on its surroundings is quite different. The Swan light can shift your present brain to your past body. Example: Desmond. The Orchid light means only one thing. The era of time traveling started. And some nose bleeds are coming your way.
So this is the reason why they showed us Desmond turning the failsafe key. This is the reason for Flashes before your eyes episode. It never made much sense to me. Why? Why? Why?
Now I know why.
Jack, Kate, Sawyer..3 main characters who were in the epicenter of the explosion were the only ones from the original 815 crew who witnessed this white light, the incident if you like. And once Juliet hit the bomb and once the white light appeared (it doesn't necessarily mean the bomb went off. Remember what Chang said..if they keep on drilling and if they drill one cm further then God help them all. And what? They kept on digging since the machine couldn't be stopped. I guess God help us all) Jack, Kate, Sawyer were sent back to past..I mean future. :)
So their present conciseness switched from their present bodies to their past bodies. Meaning we are back in Season 1, with these characters again on the plane but never landing on LAX because that would simply be stupid. Like Locke always said..it was their destiny to land on that island. And they will. Every single time. The catch is that these 3 have always remembered..they always had memories. I have no idea what happened with Juliet and Miles but I am guessing that Miles is somewhere in time..perhaps off island in the real world 2004 and Juliet is dead. The Juliet we are gonna see again is the Juliet we all know as the Other, Juliet who shocked Sawyer and brought sandwiches to Jack and had a book club meeting when plane crashed on their island.
but you will ask, how come they don't remember each other? They do...but not entirely. Remember Desmond..he regained his memories with time..day by day. Perhaps, Jack, Kate and Sawyer are the ones who remember entirely but the others like Jin, Sayid, Rose and Bernard are the people who remember partially..hence Rose saying that the smoke monster sounded familiar..or that she knows her husband is alive..she could feel it and she knew..sort of like a deja vu for those who were not in the epicenter of the bright white light but for those 3..Sawyer, Kate and Jack. They were fully aware of it.
The 3 of them were connected right from the start..especially Jack and Kate. Sawyer was bitter. So much that it looked fake. As if he wanted them all to stay away from him. As if he lost something more than his parents 30 years ago. But reliving something like this island and especially once he lost Juliet with whom he finally found happiness due to Jacks and Sayids brilliant decisions (shooting Ben, blowing up the hydrogen bomb etc) he has every right to be pissed. And his anger is pointed toward everyone but especially these two. Jack and Sayid.

Just re watch the season 1 again thinking what I just wrote here..and you will see what am I on here.

So weather this is WH,H, parallel universe, alternative reality I dont care..this is what I think it will happen.
They will show us that these people who were once in DI times are the people from those times..some of them with their full "memories" and some with partial.

And that will be shown in few first episodes and then something similar like Desmond in the bar...something will happen that will shift them back to the present time or it will never happen, unfortunately for Jin and Sun..but Jacob gave them advice not to take their love for granted, didn't he?

Not everything we've seen during these 5 seasons was this scenario. Sometimes something had to happen once. And it did. Once. For the first time. When they first crashed. At that point they never knew each other. So my opinion is that the editing and storytelling in this show is original and brilliant. And season 6 is here to show us how magicians pulled it off. What were we missing. Season six is filling in the blanks. No LAX and safe landing..no ALT but also no WH,H..because something needs to play out differently if we want this circle to end. But who knows maybe Darlton never had the plan of ending the circle. And they, all of them became during these iterations truly LOST.

Thanks for reading.

Mo

The Files by James Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 05:21:00 PM View Comments

Just have a quick theory.... read the mousetrap pt 2 theory and it makes alot of sense.

Guys in glass houses shouldnt throw stones-"This is actually a warning against hypocrisy. Before you go accusing someone of some wrong doing, make sure that you are not guilty as well because your accusation could come back and get you".

There is also a part where jack is in the cage and the others gather around him. They are all just staring at him and he yells What are you looking at! Its because they are in awe that they have two jacks on the island.

The files now make perfect sense. The only way they could have known personal things that are in the files is from themselves. They are totally still on the island in an alternate form, giving orders to the others. They are the whisperers as well as the reason why the smoke monster got woke up. They most likely went to the temple after the incident and there was something that occured to awake the monster as we did not see it in the 70's at all other than egyption art.

Just some thoughts thanks for reading

Keep Enemies Close…But Not Too Close by Cindy Chandler Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 08:48:00 AM View Comments

I am obsessed with Richard Alpert. (Ok, I didn’t really need to put it out there but all I’m saying is that if I’m going to watch reruns, you know I’m watching the shows with Richard in them.) So...ahem…anyway…

In watching clips and reruns, I find that I am perplexed by Richard’s relationship to Ben and how this relationship has played out in the grand scheme of Jacob and MIB.

First, ponder this…
Is Richard aware that Ben---as admitted to Sun in Season 5---has never actually seen or spoken with Jacob?

My answer (to my own question, I know):
Absolutely.

But, if this is true, then why, in Season 3, does Richard play along with the idea that Ben is going to introduce Locke to Jacob after Locke comes into camp with his dead dad slung over his shoulder? Why doesn’t Richard pull Ben aside before Locke and Ben go trekking in the woods and say, “Hey, Ben, we both know that you have never been before Jacob so let’s stop pretending…Oh! And, by the way, the REAL place to find Jacob is at the foot of the statue, not the cabin! HAHA!”

Remember, in season 5, it was Richard, not Ben, that lead Flocke and co. to the statue. Ben had no idea that Jacob was even there. (Wasn’t that a kick in the pants for Ben?!)


So, here’s my theory:

We all know that Richard follows Ben’s orders. But, Richard is certainly a disgruntled employee (and that’s putting it mildly). Richard helps Locke take Ben to task. Richard makes quips about how Ben’s obsession with the whole no-island-pregnancy issue is getting all of them away from the true mission. And Richard obviously was holding his tongue when he saved Ben’s life by shooting Keamy---“My pleasure.” Yeah…not so much.

To some extent, Jacob knew that Ben would be an agent for MIB. Jacob assigned Richard to follow Ben’s order with any leader of The Others. Richard has obliged, but wasn’t happy following orders from the man who would eventually become MIB’s pawn. As we know, Jacob never summoned Ben. Instead, Richard ferried notes and conversations between the two. That kept Jacob safe until it was time for Jacob to pull his “Obi-Wan-strike-me-down-and-I’ll-be-more-powerful-than you-could-ever-imagine” trick. So, I venture to say that Ben is MIB’s right hand man (unknowingly, of course) as Richard is Jacob’s.

For further proof...remember Widmore saying, "I know what you are, boy!" (or something to that effect). Well, what if Widmore knows that Ben is MIB's pawn too?

The question then is: How much of what is going to play out with this “war” does Richard already know? Does Richard know that Jacob “touched” certain Losties?

Sometimes I think Richard knows so much…and then it seems like he is just as shocked about things as our Losties.

P.S. to Lost Dbutz, the kids and I are doing just fine; thanks for asking! ;)

Season 6 by Lostie 101 Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 08:48:00 AM View Comments

Since I'm such a huge Lost freak, this is how I think Lost season 6 is gonna go down. I think that when the bomb detonated, the timeline reset. Meaning that the Losties Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sawyer and jin, the ones from 1977 go back to Oceanic Flight 815 as though the crash never happened. This is why the first episode is called LAX. Its also why we are gonna see characters like Charlie, Boone and Shannon again. and is why we see Juliet again in a replay of what happened. However, the Losties still have their memories of the island, despite no longer having crashed. So when they arrive in L.A. they realize that if they hadnt crashed, Kate would be put in jail, Claire would be giving Aaron up for adoption, Locke would still be in the wheelchair, Jin and Sun would never be able to have a baby and Sawyer would never have met Juliet...etc. So they have to find a way back. Since she helped them get back ! the first time, its likely that Eloise Hawking will help them get back again. I think this will kinda be like Desmonds episode "Flashes before your eyes" was, its gonna be alike an alternate timeline, but they still have their memories of the other one. But they are more than likely going to have to bust Kate out of Jail if they are to go back.

Back on the island in 2008, Ben just killed Jacob so the UnLocke, who btw, I think is the smoke monster and took the form of Alex to convince Ben to stop plotting against him and to work with him to take control of the island. I think the smoke monster is the one in possession of claire too, and is why the last time we saw her was in the cabin, and why we didnt see her in season 5. Since she is a season regular again, she is coming back somehow. I think that since Richard and Sun and them know now that UnLocke is now who he says he is, they try to work against him in his plot to take control. I think that even though Jacob is dead, he is not gone from the island. I also think we will learn more about the history of the island, like the blackrock, which is how I think Richard got there, and more about Jacob and the Man in Black.

Once the losties in L.A. find a way to get back, which i think is how Widmore is gonna find a way back too, they join in the fight against UnLocke and Widmore. I think thats when Jin and Sun are going to be reunited and Kate is going to find Claire. Since the death of Juliet, Sawyer is pretty much a mess, and its going to be up to Kate to bring him back outta that. I dont think SAwyer will survive the series, which is why I think the only thing he has left to live for is Kate, so when her life is threatened, he goes and ahead and saves her, and dies in the process. Most likely it will be someone like Widmore to do it. I also think that Sayid blames Ben for manipulating him and is still on a hunt to kill him and eventually does, which leads UnLocke to kill Sayid, whose I dont think will survive the series either. Miles probably dies too because he is stupid. I think that desmond and penny show up at some point too to help against Widmore, but I think Its Jack in the en! d who kills widmore and UnLocke, and turns out to be the one with the destiny or whatever. So i think that once its all said and done, the island is moved agagin to prevent anyone else from finding it. I think Desmond and Penny stay there on the island with Richard and the others and go back in time when the island moves. This causes Desmond and Penny to be the skeletons in the caves.

Most likely Jack, Kate, Hurley, Claire, Jin and Sun survive and escape the island. I think Jack and Kate end up together, Claire is reunited with Aaron, Jin and Sun are reunited with JiYeon, and Hurley just gets to be Hurley forever.

Just my guess. But knowing Lost...It could be wayyy off.

eko + claire + her possible return by imissclaire Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 08:48:00 AM View Comments

hey guys,

i was watching further instructions the other day, which is the set up for eko's episode cost of living. i noticed that once eko is recovered, he acts very strangely. somewhat distant, and clearly not himself. it just reminded me of when claire's house exploded and she seemed far off and not quite there.

but then i watched cost of living, and when eko is heading to the pearl, he has visions of the people that he's killed in the past, and that little kid. now this could've just been the smoke monster, or mib, but after claire's possible 'death' or whatever, she saw people from her past too, like charlie and her dad (there was a deleted scene with her and hurley in the house just after it happened, where she sees christian in the bedroom corner).

so now i'm thinking hmm, is this how they might explain her absence? just get someone to say like 'oh mr. eko had that too'... i mean, we only have like, what 18 hours left of lost? you think they might be able to use one to talk about claire? i'm hoping they give us a claire-centric episode that works kind of like michael's episode three minutes where they flash to important moments we hadn't seen yet, but have already happened. like just have it starting from when the house exploded, with her seeing charlie: lovely interaction.. and then flash to when christian picked her up in the middle of the night.. in the cabin with locke.. behind sun in namaste.. and other good stuff.

one of the biggest things that's irked me with the show was claire's disappearance.. i think i was one of the only people who really liked her on the screen. hopefully they make it something really sick. i'm really pumped to see if they make her a character fully involved with the mythology and sci-fi wtf moments of the show.

pfft, i sound like a dork. alright guys, let me know what you're thinking.

:)

Richard's role as a protector by Syphon1980 Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 08:48:00 AM View Comments

Although Richard’s backstory on how he gained his ability is still missing, I tried thinking about what purpose does it serve Jacob.

It was only after watching the final scene of “the variable” again that I had a hunch that Richard is more than just ageless but immortal. He is more concerned for Daniel being shot rather than just having his life threatened. That suggests that he had no fear of being shot or dying because he can't die.

So assuming he is immortal, how does that help Jacob? I think Richard is the ultimate bodyguard. Since the Man in Black (MIB) can possess the body of a deceased, having an immortal as a right hand man would prevent any corruption. Also, to stay safe, Jacob only communicates through Richard to keep his distance away from those that may be possessed by the MIB.

As an additional side note, I’ve never seen an “other” shoot first. In “Exodus”, when the rafties encounter Mr. Friendly and Co., Sawyer takes aim before any “others” attack. Likewise in the 70s (“La Fleur“) when Sawyer, Juliet, Miles ect. cross paths with Ethan’s mother, Sawyer draws first. I believe the “others” attempt to avoid killing at all cost because they are aware of the MIB’s ability to infiltrate their group and sneak his way to Jacob.

Finally, Richard reclaims the bodies of the deceased. He did so in the purge, the dead men in “La Fleur” but what does he do to them? Does he render them null to the MIB’s powers or does he keep them safe from smokey? If so, what are the implications of Ben leaving his father’s dead body out in the woods at the end of “the Man behind the Curtain”?

Not Meant to be Together? by JR Posted by DarkUFO at 8/31/2009 08:48:00 AM View Comments

While watching the season 5 finale, certain behaviors on the part of Juliet seemed out of character. I thought it was odd she would change her mind about leaving the island, odd that she would not fight to maintain her obvious loving relationship with Sawyer, and odd that she would let the last three years of her life go because, "sometimes people are not meant to be together."

Sawyer's looks towards Kate did not change his feelings toward Juliet as evidenced in the final scenes of the episode. If this is the case, then what did Juliet mean by "some people are not meant to be together" and why did she bring Sawyer back to the island when he was clearly ready to stay on the sub and get rich betting on the Cowboys in the '78 Super Bowl?

Answer: because she has read Sawyer's file and knows what he is supposed to do, and it does not include living happily ever after with her. In season 3, she told Kate the others had files on all of the 815 survivors. She had extensive information on Jack, his father, and his ex-wife.

In the episode, One of Us, she confronted Sawyer and Sayid, about some of their past actions. While Sayid's military record may have been available, it always bothered me that she had knowledge of the murder Sawyer committed days before boarding flight 815. Obviously the Australian authorities were unaware of this or they never would have deported him? How then did Juliet obtain this information? She read it in his file. The same file that gave Locke the insight as to the identity of the real Sawyer. Again, how did the others get this information?

Answer: Because Sawyer and the others survived the incident of '77, joined the others, and have resided in the Temple providing Ben with valuable information he will use to always stay one step ahead. They would also provide information on the survivors of flight 815, including themselves.

Juliet selflessly decided at the last minute that Sawyer was supposed to fulfill his destiny on the island, and that "they are not meant to be together" despite loving each other. Michael once commented that Sawyer was either a hero, or he wanted to die. Little did he know it at the time, but it was Sawyer's destiny to be a hero and Juliet was aware of this. Hero's don't invest in Microsoft and get fat, they save the world. Juliet's sacrifice will be a defining moment in the show.

Richard's flashback by JR Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 09:44:00 PM View Comments

At some point in season six, we will be witness to the arrival of the crew of the Black Rock. I believe this episode will begin with the survivors of the wreck waking up confused in the jungle, most of them unaware of how they got their. However, one crew member will be seen making his way in to the jungle. This survivor will purposely walk into the camp of the indigenous inhabitants of the island. As he is taken prisoner, the camera will show the identity of the man. To know one's great surprise, that man will be shown to be Richard. At this point, he will speak the words, "what lies in the shadow of the statue." As his captures appear puzzled, a man will step out of the shadows and give the correct response. This man will be, of course, our MIB. Cue the Lost logo and begin the episode.

As others have proposed, I believe Jacob is a time traveler from the future who has traveled back in time to attempt to change the past and prevent the still unknown event that will mark the end of humanity. It is very possible that in doing this, he has inadvertently caused the event he is attempting to prevent, but that is a theory for another time.

For the sake of this theory, we must assume that when physically traveling back in time, one's body does not age until he reaches the point in time from which he is traveling. I am also assuming that Jacob has recruited others to follow him into the past to assist him in his quest. MIB was one such person, Richard followed him, and Ilana will be shown to be a third.

A problem for the time travelers is that the exit point in the time machine is not on the island. Therefore, they have to find passage to the island. Luckily for them, they are aware of the island's history. Therefore, once Richard arrived in the past, he simply signed as a member of the Black Rock, knowing it was destined to wreck on the island and reunite him with Jacob. When he arrived on the island, he eventually would replace the MIB as Jacob's right hand man and his liaison with the others. MIB was then freed to seek the loophole that lead to the season five finale.

I believe the scene in the finally with Jacob visiting Ilana actually takes place in the future. Ilana has been injured in the upcoming war and was approached by Jacob, prior to his time traveling. The favor he asked of her was to travel back in time and join him on the island. Like Richard, she was given the question regarding the shadow of the statue so that she too could identify her fellow confederates. Like Richard, she was aware of the island's history and knew Ajira Flight 316 would crash on the island.

No Alternate Timelines by MattH Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 09:16:00 PM View Comments

Note: I have not been keeping up with the latest theories so if I say something thats been discussed already tell me in a nice way. Thanks

I recently just completely re-watched Season 5. After finishing the finale I had at least two or three really solid reasons on why there will not be a reset. So I thought I would share them =)

One of the pieces of evidence for 2007 being an alternate timeline is the fact that the barracks are destroyed. While some argue this was from the Mercenaries, others argue that this is the result of an alternate timeline that has been created after the Losties got sent into 1977. The first straight up problem with this theory is that there doesn't seem to be enough evidence TOWARDS and alternate timeline to justify a big reveal in Season 6. With more evidence people will say, "Oh that makes sense!" But with the two or three little hints weve gotten so far people will probably say, "well...I guess that kind of works" An alternate timeline will be too random.

My biggest piece of evidence though takes place in 1977. For half the season we were left wondering if the Losties were "supposed" to be there. My answer is yes. Everything and I mean EVERYTHING revolved around them being there. For example, Sayid shot Ben and he was taken to the temple to be healed. Then in the next episode Ben recalls this memory of being taken to the temple! But then you could argue that the Universe course corrected what should have already happened.

But the biggest problem with the alternate timeline theory lies within the incident itself. In the finale we witness the epic moment of Jack dropping the Jughead bomb into the pocket of energy and the energy starts sucking in everything metal. We learn later though that the Jughead had nothing to do with the creation of the magnet and instead was sitting at the bottom waiting for Juliet to bash it with a rock. Now if you remember that magnet got so strong it pulled a car over and it even yanked down that big metal tower. The problem with the timeline theory...What would the Incident be if they weren't there??!! How would they have ever been able to cement everything in? The Jughead detonation obviously plays a part in keeping that energy at bay long enough to cement everything in. While at the same time "killing" all the Losties. Which explains why Richard said he had watched them all die. They were probably teleported or something. I'm not exactly sure. But this brings me t! o my next point.

The detonation of the Jughead was a critical moment in the history of the island. Every place they flashed to was important and they stopped flashing right where they were supposed to. In LaFleur we saw Juliet finally deliver a baby on the island. Which implies that the problem hasn't happened yet. Now what "incident" could have occured between 1977 and 2001 that could cause this? Obviously the detonation of a friggin hydrogen bomb! The detonation could have destroyed the statue resulting in the pregnancy problems or the radioactivety itself could have caused the problems. Either way it is as plain as day to me that the pregnancy problems are a result of the Incident. Also, what would the incident be if not what we saw? What would it be without the Losties?

Another thing, I'm pretty sure most nuclear weapons have a shelf life of 20 to 25 years tops.

Jacob has no doubt met a few other of our fellow Losties by Barnabas Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 08:15:00 PM View Comments

On my rewatch, a part stuck out of Catch 22 like a sore thumb. As did a part of the Inicident, as I believe many noticed, and that was the flashback part of the episode where we meet a younger Juliet. There was no meeting with Jacob, and just an odd little flash that seemed a little unnecessary if anything.

This is season five, the finale, and with one season to go, I do not believe the writers would be throwing a nice bit of filler at us in this form just right now. I truly believe that we will see a continuation of this flashback in some form or other in season six. Whether Jacob is involved or not is up for debate; we know that Jacob no doubt had some hand in getting Juliet to the island in the first place, maybe asking Richard to investigate.

The part of Catch 22 I am referring to about being odd is the part where Desmond says he was down and out on his luck when he meets a man dressed like a priest who offers him a hand. It is meeting this man that leads him to meet Penny, and sets him off on this series of events. I checked in the episode, it doesn't seem like the priest that Desmond converses with mostly is the priest that first met Desmond when he was drunk, but someone else. I believe that it was Jacob that Desmond met.

I wouldn't mind being proved wrong, it may just be a random case. If it does turn out to be Jacob, it would be amazing forward planning (well, I'm hoping for some nice suprises in season six, the tampa job I hope could come up!), but it could just be me hoping that we get Desmond back in season six.

Here's to hoping.

Cindy's Vodka Bottles BY Michael Aaron Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 05:52:00 PM View Comments

Cindy was always an "other". She didn't become an "other", she was already among them, and was a plant on 815; a plant whose primary purpose was to give Jack those two Vodka bottles. I submit the idea that we will see a scene involving the prepping of Cindy, as she is briefed on who the essential passengers are, and what her roll will be. The scene will include Fristian (Fake Christian for those who don't know) handing Cindy the two bottles, indicating that it's "Special Vodka", not just ordinary Oceanic inventory.

I figured out Lost by Josh Mayzler Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 05:34:00 PM View Comments

during a car ride yesterday, i started thinking about how much we are finally going to learn this season. how much ill miss it when its all gone. but then i started thinking about what the end of the show will be about and why the oceanic survivors were so special and what they're destiny is or could be.

and then, my epiphany came.

i realized the whole tie in of the island, the people, the numbers, and the others. well, enough of the b******t, time for me to share my thoughts. now, i dont know the specifics (with lost its almost impossible to know those) but i know the ooverall gist of what the show is about and what we'll be experiencing in the final episodes. maybe.

ok, this theory is a little complex and flashed in my mind in the matter of seconds, so ill explain it piece by piece. first, and most importantly, humanity as we know it is coming to an end. there is going to be a huge mistake by mankind's superiors and governments that will inevitably end the human race, a very special, unique race. the only way for humanity to survive this mistake is to go on the most miraculous place on the planet; the island. we know the island is a very special place, that it has a lot of history and many sacrifices are made to protect and to stay on it. the island is a form of a sanctuary that saves people from themselves and who they used to be (explaining all the redemptions given to the survivors). Ultimately, the island will save mankind. But mankind must prove itself first.

the island and those higher powers upon it tried to make sure humans would be excepted onto the island from a very early age. but they always failed. "They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt".

but what about those upon oceanic airlines flight 815? what is there purpose on the island?

a question with a very complex answer, which i think i have also figured out, but first, lets shortly revisit the dharma initiative and its initial creation (which will be more thoroughly be explained by ABC's "Mysteries of the Universe: The Dharma Initiative"). The dharma initiative was created upon the discovery of the Valenzetti equation- 4 8 15 16 23 42. This equation explains the way the world will end, or at least the end of mankind. So why was the DI created so soon after its discovery? because that end was drawing near, in only a matter of decades. maybe in the early '10s of the 21st century. 2012 maybe? anyway, the dharma initiative failed because they only accidentally figured out this end and were not chosen by the island or its hierarchy to prove themselves.

and now, the importance of the oceanic survivors.

they are the final test group. it only ends once, and that end will come if they dont succeed. if they fail to prove mankind's existence is pure and worthy, then mankind will end before the island allows the gives humanity another chance to save itself. now that i think about it, the island is somewhat of a fail-safe. anyway, the oceanic survivors are the final batch of humanity to be tested by the island. But because humanity has failed soooo many times before, this final test group was made up humanities worst; a drunk, a murderer, a con man, an addict, a hustler, a torturer, and more. if they were able to prove themselves, then they surely could prove that mankind, even the worser people of it, were pure and worthy of the islands ability to save them. this is why the island kept pulling those who left it back, because they are the chosen, by the island and/or its hierarchy, and must help to save their species, they just dont know it yet, and cannot know it if they are to ! truthfully prove themselves.

so, basically, humanity is soon to end, the island is the only place that will save them, humanity accidentally found out, the final test group is the oceanic survivors, and the end portion of season 6 will be about the 815ers proving themselves to save mankind, or failing to do so.

hope that maybe some of this comes to play, because i for one am very excited for the show if it will go in a direction somewhat parallel to this.

Mayzler out. Happy 1.27.09!

The bomb always happened by Encyclops Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 05:34:00 PM View Comments

After the detonation of the hydrogen bomb and the inevitable death of Juliet, the powerful energy contained within the pocket consumes all of the energy from the bomb and greatly suppresses or completely stops any physical effect the bomb would have on the island, until it builds up 108 minute later...

This energy is going to increase, and the risk of more energy escaping and causing 'god help us all' moments increases, this means that the Dharma Initiative must build The Swan and its energy destroying super computer system to deplete energy every 108 minutes. This is probably the longest amount of time that can pass before the pocket starts going mental again.

Also, as the bombs energy was consumed by the electromagnetic energy inside Radzinsky's magical pocket, we now have electromagnetic radiation under the island. This electromagnetic radiation has a lot of known health effects, one being miscarriages. This of course helps explain the pregnant women dying situation that as we saw was not happening in pre-bomb Dharma times.

Look up 'electromagnetic radiation' on Wikipedia, and you'll see references to the Faraday effect and light waves. Do you remember that 'light doesn't quite scatter right'.

With all of this evidence we can assume that the bomb always happened and no crazy-ass reset or alternative timelines will occur (in my opinion, effectively ruining the previous seasons). Jack was wrong again, as he has been so many other times and heck, if this theory is correct it was his fault (along with our Scottish friend Desmond) that Oceanic 815 crashed on 'the place where miracles happen' in the first place.

But the question arises as to what happens with Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Hurley, Jin and Sayid. Will they flash to 2007 and complete their destinies as Jacob's secret army in the eternal 'Highlander' style battle against the man in black? Or will they remain in the past living in secrecy in the temple? Sayid is probably going to be one of the first deaths in season six, unable to recover from his gunshot wound. Whatever happens, it will tie up nicely with the 2007'ers storyline.

Opening Scene of Season 6/Immortality is Key by tez360 Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 03:59:00 PM View Comments

As we've seen, the opening scene of every season premiere is always a fake-out: we think we're seeing one thing, but we're really seeing something else (Desmond in the Hatch, Juliet at the Barracks, Chang in 1977, Hurley's car chase, etc.). So how will this pattern repeat in Season 6?

I believe we'll open with a shot of people on a plane---but we won't see their faces. We'll see a brunette in handcuffs, a man in a suit, an African-American man with his son, etc. We'll be led to believe we're seeing Flight 815 and a timeline reset but, as with other season premieres, it's a fake-out---this is not Flight 815. It's actually 2028ish, and the woman in handcuffs is Clementine (Sawyer's daughter is following in her daddy's less-than-reputable ways,) the man in the suit is Aaron, the man with his son is grown-up Walt, etc. All our Losties' children/nieces/nephews are on this plane, and we'll see it crash on the Island, in a wonderful callback to the opening of the Pilot, except with the 'kids' playing the Losties' roles this time around.

And who do we see among the survivors of the new plane crash, pretending to be one of them---but Sawyer? He's our infiltrator, our new Ethan Rom, just as we saw in Lafleur. At that point, the scene ends, the LOST title card flashes, and we then pick up the story where we left off. We then backtrack, as we did in Season 5, and we spend the season learning how the Losties got back to 2007, how they screwed with the timeline, the war with the Man in Black, and how the Losties won the battle and took over the Island, leading up to the newest plane crash.

Why does everyone want possession of the Island? Why doesn't Richard age? I think the two questions are interconnected. Jacob has power over life (birth, healing) and the Man in Black has power over death (which is why 'Dead is Dead'---Jacob can't raise the dead because they've passed beyond his 'domain' and the MIB can't stand living people on the Island). Jacob can't raise the dead, but he can fix things so that you just don't die---essentially, he can grant eternal life, as he's done for Richard.

Richard is not the aberration: everyone else is. Richard seems like the most peaceful Other---the other OThers/Hostiles were pretty bloodthirsty/arrogant. Technically, everyone on the Island can/should live forever---that is, if they work together, live together. If they do that, then Jacob grants them eternal life; the thing is, only Richard has ever been worthy of this---that is, until Flight 815 crashed.

The Losties took in Desmond from the Hatch, did their best to bring in Danielle, welcomed Juliet when she defected (eventually), and brought Daniel/Charlotte/Miles/Frank into the 'group' even though they'd come with the Freighter commandos. Heck, Ben is practically an honorary Lostie. Our guys are extremely loyal to one another (3 years in Dharmaville weren't enough to break Sawyer/Juliet/Miles/Daniel/Jin off from the Lostie group) and extremely welcoming to newcomers. Therefore, Jacob has stopped their aging, just as he did for Richard (they just haven't figured it out yet cause it isn't noticeable yet).

This is where the whole 'the children must leave the Island' thing comes from. Aaron/Jia Yeon/Walt would have stopped aging had they remained, and so to grow up (shades of Peter Pan?) they needed to spend time in the 'real world.'

The other Others will die in the battle with the MIB, and our Losties will take over, becoming the new, semi-immortal Others (and finally giving poor Richard some decent friends). Decades will pass, and when the time is right, the Losties' kids are brought to the Island to be tested (to see whether they're worthy of immortality). This is what we're seeing in the opening scene.

Keamy Rising... a prelude to Jacob's return? by Chase Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 03:09:00 PM View Comments

Hey guys, I know this theory might sound a little out of left field, but it just hit me in terms of something 'interesting' that could happen in the final season. I know that Kevin Durand's character Martin Keamy is probably not that important to the overall plot except for being the one who killed Alex (which makes you instantly blame Widmore allegedly above all else).

I thought of something though randomly about what happened when Keamy died. He was stabbed in the back by Ben in the that Ben stabbed Jacob...and the whole thing was in front of no one else but Locke. I find this worthy of note because both these deaths happen in places of significance, especially when Keamy's death happened in the Orchid Station. Know I don't think that it's some magic Bunny/box Lazarus chamber, but clearly the fact that Keamy's body is rotting down there with no burial or protection against the forces of the island (as in he doesn't have is eyes closed or is buried), then maybe he is still a potential player in the Islands game (since when Locke fell down the well, "Christian" was there to give him instructions, showing that it is entirely possible that we could see a dead version of Keamy back in the final season to be used against Ben one more time.

The most important thing I realize though is the manner of death that occurs. In the episode Locke actually knocks Keamy down and out, and almost offers both him and Ben a chance for redemption by telling them both they don't have to kill (Keamy has the dead man switch while Ben has the ability to stab him). It's like Jacob with the Losties when you think about it and how he almost seems to have the ability to just flip a switch and have them all killed if he wanted to. So what I guess I'm also saying ultimately in the end is that maybe like the consequences of killing Keamy lead to so many deaths on the Kahana. Maybe killing Jacob will have a similar effect on the Island.

My simple little theory about the 70's folks by Aaron Singleton Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 08:53:00 AM View Comments

My theory is pretty short and pretty simple, and while it does not try to predict the entirety of season 6, perhaps it can offer some clues...

Back when Desmond turned the fail-safe key, we saw what he experienced. His 'consciousness' traveled to a point in his past. When he returned to his present self, he was able to predict many events on- Island.

The bomb Jack dropped into the 'Swan hole' is going to release the same type of energy Desmond released when he turned that key. So I think the Losties who were in the 70's will travel in much the same way Des did. The only catch will be that they will have no bodies to return to like Des did, but will remain in the past, with much foreknowledge about many events on-Island, like Desmond times 100.

Now what this means for season 6 is anyone's guess, but I'd say they will most likely travel back to a point either while they are aboard 815, or just after the crash, about the time a certain doctor awakes in the bamboo forest. What do you guys think? It seems like I at least have some evidence to back this up and it's not just blue sky. But as far as what happens next, I have no clue. Any thoughts?

WHH - The Moustrap Theory (Part II) by Redheaded Zombie Posted by DarkUFO at 8/30/2009 01:47:00 AM View Comments

About a week ago I posted a theory with the following main points:

1. Jughead had always exploded and the button-pushing Swan was always containing/delaying the consequences, (The WHH part of the theory)

2. Jack and Co. would not be flashing back to the future, but would live the next 30 years (1977-2007) setting up the events that lead them to the island in the first place (the "Moustrap" part of the theory) -- this would mean that Jack and Co. may very well be at the top of "The Others" food chain and have been directing that group's activities both on and off the island.

3. The Jacob's touch had "alpertized" Jack and Co. so that they will not physically age over the next 30 years (1977-2007) -- (the "lpertized" or "how can we avoid the actors in cheesy old-age makeup" part of the theory -- many people pointed out a few potential flaws to this theory).

I've been re-watching Season 2 and 3 with my daughter recently, and have come acrss a few things that were pretty interesting in light of this possible theory:

1. In "Stranger in a Strange Land" (s3e09) Jack and Mr. Friendly are having a conversation about what kind of people Jack thinks "The Others" are. Jack says something like, "the kind of people who kidnap children, steal pregnant girls, string up people (i.e. Charlie) and leave them hanging in the jungle," etc etc. Mr. Friendly's response is "guys in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." What does that mean? Well, if Jack is actually at teh top of "The Others" food chain and has given the orders to do all those things, it could mean a lot.

2. Later in the same episode, Isabell the "sherrif" lady asks Jack about his tattoos. She says that they are ironic. Later she tells us what they mean to her -- "He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us." Why would that be ironic to Isabell? It would certainly be ironic if an older Jack really were one of them.

3. In "Not in Portland" (S3e07) one of the messages in the room 23 film is "we are the cause of our own suffering." Could that be a hint that Jack and Co. have been the ones who set up all their own "suffering" as a means to get to a greater end?

4. In "Flashes Before Your Eyes" (S3e08) we first learn the rules of course correction -- that even if you try to change things, it won't matter, because the universe puts things back on their pre-destined path. And we get a little glimpse of this with desmond -- this time he DOES buy the ring, but in the end he still doesn't marry Penny. He also steps in and takes the cricket bat blow in the head from Jimmy Lennon, saving the bartender, but that doesn't change his ultimate destiny either -- he still ends up on the island. So even if some events in 1977 played out a little differently than before, the end result will still be mostly the same.

5. When Sayid first sees the four-toed statue, it is just the foot -- something has happened pre-Oceanic 815 to destroy the rest of the statue. Jughead's explosion may have done that.

With all this in mind, here is how certain I am that these parts of the theory will prove to be accurate:

1. The "WHH" part -- 70%
2. The "Moustrap" part -- 90%
3. The "alpertized" part -- 50%

Time Paradoxes by Lost_Addict Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 09:47:00 PM View Comments

Ok everyone, I know people are theorizing about season 6 right now, and we are all being led to believe that SOME kind of reset is on the way. However, my mind turns upside down when I think of this. There is a huge paradox that has to be solved in order for this to happen, and I believe we experienced already two paradoxes:

- The Incident: Ok, so if the bomb did reset everything, 815 landed safely on LAX and all the characters went on to live their lives. If that's true, then the characters did not go to the island, Sayid was never time-skipping and never had the chance to shoot young Ben. Young Ben was never taken to the Temple to be healed, and so never became the leader of the Others. He never banished Widmore from the Island and so Widmore would have no reason to set up a team to go fetch Ben. Without the boat there's no Faraday, so no journal. More importantly, with no boat there's no reason for Ben to turn the wheel. If he doesn't turn the wheel there's no one in 1977 to detonate the Bomb. So THERE IS AN INCIDENT, and then 815 crashes...

- Eloise (the rat): I believe we already witnessed a paradox. When Desmond visits Faraday in Oxford, he experiments with Eloise the rat. He tells Desmond that he will only teach Eloise how to run the maze the next morning. However, when he shifts the poor rat in time, she already knows the path to exit the maze. But remember, the time shifting "short-circuits" her brain and she dies a few minutes after that. If she died that same day, she was never taught how to run the maze in the first place!

- The Compass: We saw that the compass Richard and Locke give each other seem to only exist in that time loop (actually I think that's the loophole man in black told Jacob he would find). Locke gives the compass to Richard in 1954, Richard returns it to Locke in 2004/5 and Locke (or the man in black) gives it back to Richard so Richard can give it to time-skipping Locke. Who made that compass? Where did it come from? And, most importantly, when Locke asks if Richard still has the compass, Richard says that "it is a little rusty but it can still find north"... So apparently the compass is getting older in that time loop. What would happen when the compass eventually decays so much it is no longer there?

There might be another paradox involving Ben and Sayid: what if Ben recruited Sayid as vengeance for the 1977 shot and Sayid shoots young Ben as a vengeance for being made his "personal killer", therefore destroying his life?

Anyways, it would be really great if you guys could post something on the comments, how do you think the authors might reconcile those paradoxes...

I watched them all die by The Baxter Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 09:34:00 PM View Comments

Hi,

You know when Richard Alpert said, 'because I watched them all die............' or something. Well, it occurred to me that if indeed he did watch them die that it may not be down to Jughead exploding.

He's the theory:

In the episode 'Jughead', Daniel tells his future-mum (good superhero name) that in the future the island is still there. We can therefore determine that if a nuke was to go off on the island, it would have wiped everything out, right?

Therefore if Richard did watch them all croak it as a result of Jughead going off, then surely that would have killed him off too. This assuming that Richard, like Jacob can be killed by conventional forces.

The whole alternative time line thing confuses me to the point where I go boz-eyed, but in either reality if Jughead went off, Richard, Ben and all the other would be dead.

Thanks for reading. Thoughts?

Losties are the Whisperers by Dan DeWit Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 08:13:00 PM View Comments

The whispers that Rousseau associated with the Others in "Solitary" and that were frequently heard before key scenes thereafter are actually our post-Jughead losties. The combination of the nuclear blast and the energy at the Swan site blew them into a parallel dimension where they can see what is happening and can even be heard (in whispers) but are invisible to people remaining in this dimension. Thus Season 6 will be about the losties in the "nearby" dimension "re-living" the events of Seasons 1 through 5, as they catch up with the 2007 storyline, commenting on them, but unable to be seen by themselves or the other survivors, etc. until they finally encounter the "resurrected Jacob," who will have the power to "save us all" by bringing everyone back into the same dimension. If this theory is true, much of Season 6 will be like the scene in The Little Prince where Sawyer witnessed Kate helping Claire give birth! to Aaron, that is, we will see familiar scenes from a new perspective.

What if... by blueshirt Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 11:29:00 AM View Comments

So, I just read a previous theory that included Hurley reading the numbers during the transmission that can be heard while 316 crashes. And with everything we know about season 6 (more charcter developments, backstorys, Alperts' "I have seen them die", etc.), a thought struck me: We might have already experienced the end of LOSTS' story with the white flash in season 5's finale. That was it. Big Baboom. Mythologicallywise, it might not really get any better than this.

So, here's how the thing goes down in my mind: From the very beginning, we have seen an alternate timeline. This is NOT how the story started. We will experience the actual start of the show in season 6. And maybe this will be the moment that the so called "Bryden's theory on everything" over at lost forum will tie in. And, like this, the writers will actually be able to skip time travelling in season 6. And all of the mythology that pointed towards a heavy sci - fi turn in the series.

We will only see the story of how everything led up to some key points of LOST, e.g. everyone knowing everybody else. In my mind, the season 6 finale will be Oceanic 815 taking off. And then, we know what happens. Or maybe not. Kinda like: "He might be a candidate." Maybe not.

I always felt that, in the brilliant writing of the show, there always was this momentum of "Does the Dharma initiative really serve a purpose? Go figure..." In other words: The mythology of the show is very relative. Dharma could have installed their machines that really work, but also, they could very simply not have any effect at all and therefore end in a big explosion. I believe that this freedom of having the possibility to simply cut off storylines is part of the extraordinary genius of the shows' writing. How I wish, I could be in the writing team... It must be the best job on the planet.

So, just to sum it up: I think LOST will stick around even after the serie is done. Just like an itching, slowly healing wound. Because we won't get definitive answers. And that's how Damon & Carlton have created the BIGGEST series ever: It never stops. Even after it is done.

Please leave comments, I'd love to read your thoughts...

In a nutshell IMO by Cassiopea Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 10:01:00 AM View Comments

I don't think the writers will spend lots of time showing us that there are lots of different time lines and showing us exactly what was changed and why, although maybe we'll see just a few. The main story of Lost IMO is that the two sides are fighting for control over the timeline to affect the ultimate result, i.e. the events which lead up to the scene on the beach, Ben killing Jacob. (However IMO there may actually be another ultimate outcome to the experiment that we have yet to see.)Therefore, the timeline we have seen, series 1-5, is essential to the plot. We have seen one possibility out of many which leads to the scene on the beach and that those events can be changed seemly in a instant when really it was a whole time line of changes. Lost is exploring some theoretical quantum physics in sci fi. We can see how these events on the beach can be manipulated by having a multitude of possibilities which are o! nly determined at the end by the opening of the box like in the Schrodinger's cat experiment.
Ultimately I think the point is that no matter what they do, they cannot change the fact that Ben killed Jacob. Having said that - it might not be that event that the two sides are trying to change.

We have already met Penny's mother. She is not Daniel's biological mother at all... by Brandon Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 07:40:00 AM View Comments

Maybe we already have met Penny's mother... think about it. Daniel saw that Eloise was pregnant on the island and assumed she was pregnant with him, but what if she was pregnant with somebody else? What if he is not even Eloise's son at all. What if she was pregnant with Penny and gave birth to her off the island.

When she shot Daniel she was very emotional and he blurted out that he was her son before he died. When Eloise picked up the notebook and saw her own handwriting inside the cover, how could she argue with such strong evidence.

I think Richard knocked her out after she helped Jack and Co., and he made sure she was placed on board the sub after it returned to the island so she could be transported to the mainland before the atomic blast, which Richard realized was inevitable.

Eloise went on with her off island life thinking she was exiled and raising Penny. Eventually Penny became more of a memory of the island than Eloise could bear so she handed her over to Widmore on the condition that she help him locate a baby boy named Daniel Faraday. She already knew his birthday from the journal so that made tracking him down so much easier. She and Charles adopted Daniel but she raised him as her own. This is why Eloise was so upset with Charles when he came to see Daniel. She was bitter because they drifted apart. It is probably a Jack/Kate/Aaron thing. Jack didn't want to be with Kate because he was not ready to be a father to Aaron and live a lie. Widmore didn't want to be with Eloise because he was not ready to be a father to Aaron and live a lie.

Eloise realized how important Daniel's impact was on the Dharma initiative and buys in to course correction so much so she raised Daniel to be the twitchy genius we all know and love. Thus, the circle completed itself. Daniel was his own self-fulfilling prophecy and responsible for his own misery in life.

5 Reasons Why We Won’t See LAX by Cindy Chandler Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 01:12:00 AM View Comments

Sorry, folks; the writers are not going to “reset” to the flight landing safely in LAX. I admit, I’m not as well versed on alternate timelines and quantum physics as a good deal of you are, but I know writers; and it’s safe to say that the LOST writers don’t have anything planned with LAX. And here’s why:

#1. The flight was off course even before it crashed.
I know that this has been posted before but it bears repeating. Even if Desmond is not on the island to forget to punch in the numbers and subsequently cause the crash, something was wrong even before the plane crashed. The writers would have to do some “Scooby Do explaining”---shout out to Ricky for giving us the “Scooby Do” reference; love it!---about how the flight never veered off course this time around and has landed safely in LAX.

#2. The writers will not write Season 6 like Season 5.
A good chunk of Season 5 was the Oceanic 6 getting back together and getting back to the island. If we are to believe that the beginning of Season 6 will include the flight landing safely in LAX, then we’re saying that the passengers will leave the airport and go back to their regular lives. Even if they have flashbacks of alternate timelines or Desmond-like memories, they still have to, once again, come back together and get to the island…again...for a third time…*yawn*

#3. Fans want real answers, not Scooby Snacks.
The writers are not going to give us a Scooby Do ending because they would have a ton of pretty ticked off, DHARMA jumpsuit-wearing fans blogging ferociously about it. We have to be back on the island to figure out what’s in the temple, what’s up with Richard, what exactly the loophole is, why pregnancy is an issue on the island, what the whispers are, for what purpose did the Others take Walt, etc etc etc. I vaguely remember Darlton saying something to the fashion that it’s not a show about an island, but if you take away the island and put this show just in the real world, then you DO get a Scooby Do ending. And that’s not going to happen. NO!!!!!!!!!

#4. Richard Alpert “4 Eva”…Or, at least, for 16 episodes
Nestor Carbonell (oh, how I love thee---ahem) is going to be a series regular for season 6; it’s believed that he will be in almost every single episode. If that doesn’t convince you that we’re still on the island then nothing I say will.

#5. No Season 7
This is it, people. The writers do not have an infinite amount of time to wrap up the multiple mysteries that LOST has put out there. So, there is no time for filler like, “Have we met before?!” “Why do I remember shooting a polar bear?” when we have so many other things to unravel.

So, if not LAX, then what?!

Well…I do have my theories. ;)

Flight 815, next stop Fiji? by Ernie Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 12:57:00 AM View Comments

During the Rewatch of the first few seasons of Lost, I got to thinking about how the show will move forward if Jack's plan works. You know, blowing up Jughead so the Swan is never completed leading to their plane never crashing on the island in 2004. Remember, if the plan works, they assume they'll be landing in Los Angeles. But I have another idea of what might happen.

Remember way back in the first episode when the pilot, Seth Norris, told Jack and Kate that they'd lost radio contact and had traveled 1,000 miles off course. Then we know that Desmond failed to enter the numbers in time on Sept. 22, 2004, causing Flight 815 to break up and crash on the island.

So with that in mind, if Jack's plan works will they land safely in L.A. or will it be Fiji? The answer to that question lies in what caused the radio contact to break down. If they weren't near the island when their radio contact ended, then it's safe to assume that wasn't Desmond's work. After they lost contact, they flew 1,000 miles for 2 hours back toward Fiji and passed over the island as the Swan counter reached zero. The electromagnetic forces from the Swan broke up the plane and it crashed.

Many fans will say that the island caused the radio contact to break down, leading them to turn around and pass over the island. So if the Swan is never completed, will the island still cause the radio contact go down, leading the pilot to head toward Fiji? In that case, they'll land in Fiji since there's no Swan to cause the crash. Or their radio contact will never be lost and they'll end up in L.A., safe and sound.

But then again, what ever happened, happened ... so it's probably a moot point.
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See you in LAX. I mean... Sydney by Lockeheart Posted by DarkUFO at 8/28/2009 12:30:00 AM View Comments

Hey guys, I wrote this theory a couple days ago but I don't think it ever got posted, but if it did, im sorry. Anyway, here goes it.
For this theory I am tring to explain what happened to the 77 losties after the "explosion" of Jughead. The main thing that made me think about this theory was Jacobs tendency to give the pieces of his chess match a "choice" of wheather or not they want to play (see hurley). With that said, I came to the conclusion that may support both WHH and a alternate timeline theory. I think that istead of being flashed to LAX, as Jack said, the 77 losties will rather be flashed to Sydney airport right before thier plane takes off. From there they will be given a "choice" on weather or not to board the plane.

This scenario would make things very interesting. Becuase they were touched by Jacob, the losties will still have memories of what will happen if they do choose to board the plane. I believe that although Jacob does give humans a choice, the losties will still somehow be influced to board the plane by Jacob, MIB, a third party, course correction, or maybe the island itself.

We also must remember that even though the 77 losties will have thier memories, thier circumstances will almost make it so they have to board the plane; Kate is in custody, Jin is with Sun (which should be interesting), Sawyer just killed the wrong man in cold blood, Hurley almost missed the plane, Sayid was on his way to see Nadia, and Jack was on his way to bury his father.

The key to this whole set of events will be John Locke and the question of weather or not he still retains his memories of his island expeditions. As Locke said last season, only one person really has to be convinced to go and the rest will follow, and that person is Jack. I believe that Jack will seek out locke in the airport and finnaly see that John was indeed a criple before he got to the island. Locke will have no memory but the two will still have some conversation about fate and destiny and they will all decide to go on the plane. At some point after the flight takes off, or more likley shortly after the plane crashes, they will be flashed to some point in the future; I predict some time before jacobs death. They will all end up naked in the jungle a la desmond after turning the fail safe key. They will find cloths at the beach and hurley will find a extra set of clothes in his guitar case. At some point after they flash to the present it will be revealed that Locke w! as fibbing and he does indeed possess memories of his island days. This will put all the losties back in the current timeline along with an alive and well John Locke.

Ok, sorry I really started to ramble there. Hope the theory made sense and feel free to tear me apart in the comments, cya.

Jack & John: the new Jacob & MIB? by roxanna815 Posted by DarkUFO at 8/27/2009 08:15:00 PM View Comments

I am rewatching LOST from the beginning. This is a quick theory that I came up with after watching Pilot Part 1 with the knowledge of what happens in seasons 1-5. I have always wondered why John knows so much about the Island, and this makes sense to me.



We meet Jack and John in Season 1 and we don't know it then unless we pay attention to the clues, but I believe that Jack and John have both previously been on the Island. They are the new Jacob and MIB.

Locke knows a lot about the Island, and as he says it when hunting for boar, looking for water, etc., he "knows where to look."

Jack always wants to fix things and keep people how he wants them. Doctors are sometimes known to want to "play God" and go past their limitations. For example, I think of Season1 Episode 11 when Jack was so determined to save Charlies life even though Charlie already seemed dead.

Locke is all about destiny, but Jack tries to change the destiny by fixing things.

WHH is only true for physical time travel III and a recipe for a Schrödinger's Cat by Cassiopea Posted by DarkUFO at 8/27/2009 05:17:00 PM View Comments

So if we are saying that Locke is both alive and dead, how did he get that way? The idea is that there are so many possibilities out there in hypothetical land and they are all possible on the island. Why? Because Dharma made it that way!

They look some naturally occurring EM which has magic properties and made time travel out of it. Magic, did I say magic? That’s no good – this is a science analysis of what’s going on in Lost, there’s no such thing as magic. OK, so the EM has properties that I cannot explain, that no one can really explain but the writers have chosen to use as a base for some science fiction. They are saying that it can be harnessed and used to travel through time. So what do they do with this phenomenon? They send a bunny through time, they experiment with some polar bears, and they send people back in time. Physically at first and then they find a new method of time travel, mind time travel. Then experiment to see what happens when you use both at the same time. You get the results of a Schrödinger's Cat experiment.

The island could have always been this way but I think that Dharma made it this way as part of their experiments. To create the Schrödinger's Cat experiment they have sent the island back in time to repeat over and over again. In doing so they have caused a multitude of possibilities. So many alternatives that every possible course of events is conceivable. Since the Cerberus device that keeps all these possibilities separate has malfunctioned they are now all possible on the island at once.

RESET 1/TIMELINE 1???? The incident happened in 1980 which released the EM into the Swan to allow scientists in the Swan to go back in time. They came out in 1979, let’s say, and tried to make changes but by mistake they caused a paradox and time reset. They did something which prevented themselves from going back in time in the first place. MIB and Jacob were given the same abilities as Des. They could see what happened last time and were given a chance to try again. They retained their memories but what time did they go to? They transfer to their new 1979 counterparts, the ones who have just relived their lives without future knowledge. If they had gone back in time to 1974 then their consciousnesses with future knowledge would have transferred to their 1974 counterparts. Time had reset because of the paradox, eventually those scientists were born again and lived their lives until they got to the island and then in 1974 they suddenly have future knowledge. This is how th! e incident is now in 1977 and not 1980 because the scientists with future knowledge were able to complete the work sooner than they had been able to do in the last iteration.

I think that they soon realised they weren’t getting anywhere they weren’t able to change anything because as soon as they did anything significant there was a paradox. So they decided to do some more experiments with this new time travel, this new ability that they had discovered, to mind time travel. They wanted to see if they could make a difference when they mind time travelled. Unfortunately I don’t think that’s possible either. Although this is still just a theory so this part of my recipe here is not quite perfected. Ironically I’ll need to restart the recipe and make some adjustments and clarify what I mean there. Let’s see how this one works out first though. I can always write another theory. That’s the thing with theories isn’t it? Someone said that they found their theories worked better as they were writing it down, I agree.

So getting back to this recipe, I mean theory. I think this may be part of the reason why the Dharma scientists (did I mention again that I think the scientists are Jacob and/or MIB?) went further and further back in time and ended up getting so many variables involved – the Others, the Losties. Now it’s just an entangled mess. Or was that the point? They couldn’t make any changes of consequence. Faraday’s stones in a stream analogy… I think they then started to use the fact that there were many possible scenarios that they’d created to affect the ultimate outcome which for some reason is on the beach. Now if someone can tell me how the events on the beach are the results of this, if someone can tell me how and when the box of the Schrödinger's Cat experiment has been opened or how Jacob is now able to view the results of the changes he’s made in the past then I might be able to tell whether I’ve cooked a cat or a beef casserole.

Season 6 unites the Losties "Hearts and Minds" in 2007 by Dogma9 Posted by DarkUFO at 8/27/2009 04:14:00 PM View Comments

THEORY:

I was thinking, about how alot of reset theories include the alternate timline. This is a great idea.

One other theme iv noticed is that, lately, episode titles have been important. Dead is Dead, Whatever happened happened,(rules) Tabula Rasa(theme),

My theory adds 1 more to the mix.


"Hearts and Minds"

Okay so heres my theory. The moment jughead went off, an alternate timline was created. However, in order for jughead to go off, we have to assume somthing changed. somthing that DIDNT happen in the original timline.

What that is, I currently have no idea.

But, judging by Richard's "I saw them all die" comment id say in the ORIGINAL timline, they survived the jughead confrontation. They went on to live, and lived out their days with DHARMA,(ONLY reason they where accept because is because of their future knowledge) dying in the purge.

So we have two timlines


Timline A: Blackrock-usarmy(losties)-DHARMA-Incident(losties)-purge(losties die)-815 crashes-season1-season2-season3-season4-season5

Timline B: Blackrock-usarmy(losties)--DHARMA-Jughead explodes(losties)--the island is nuked(losties and everyone in this timline dies)-815 never crashes-losties live off island.


Now, the rules of the show state "Whatever happened happened". Which is usually true. But we have seen things changed before havent we. With Desmond saving Charlie and with Faraday talking to him in 2004. NOW, whenever Desmond change's somthing. We didn't get a new timline. Things changed. Worked themselves into the current timline.


So, if you think about it, theres two types of changes. Massive/alternate timline causing changes(jughead) and Desmond, changes(where things just change, nothing splits)

So, keeping that in mind, heres what I think happened.

The Losties past bodies timline B where destroyed when jughead went off. But the energy unstuck their minds in time. Let's call these unstuck minds, the "jughead losties"

The Jughead lostie's minds however willl have two possible sections to jump to.

Timline A, s1-the purge

and

The 2004 Timline B(losties that landed safely at LAX).

I belive the jughead Lostie's will periodically jump back and from both times. Allowing us to re-visit and change important moments from season1-4.

AND see the Lostie's new off island lives.

Now remember, in my theory the Lostie's died in the purge in timline A,(their present) so the jughead Lostie's mind's can only jump ahead so far in timline A. They will eventually jump to the purge where they could die(and make no more progress in THAT timline, and be stuck in timline B)

Now, I belive that when the jughead lostie's minds are in timline A. They will attempt to change things(saving Boone, exct) Now, because they are unstuck in time, they have essinsially become special Like Desmond, and are now ABLE to CHANGE small things.

Which we will somtimes see the effect of in 2007.(Maybe we see flashes in 2007, and suddnly, Sun has a new memory. Or Ben does. Frankly this would give Sun somthing to DO in 2007, as she would help show us how the losties changes effected 2007)

Now, overall course correction will prevail, making 2007 much the same. But Small things COULD change(certain characters being alive, or still on island in 2007, Maybe Desmond or Walt)

BUT, despite the good changes, the timline A Losties will still have no bodies in 2007(because in the ORIGINAL timline they never left DHARMA and died in the purge)

THATS why Timline B is important. Timline B's time will be spent with Ms Hawking, trying to get their timline B BODIES back to the island(in timline A)

So essincially, the Timline B bodies will reach 2007("they're coming). And the Jughead Lostie's will jump into those bodies.

Now everyone is in Timline A 2007

So, essintially, I think the first half of season 6 will work out like that. Reuniting the Lostie's Hearts and Soul's(their Timline B body) with their minds.(The unstuck in time minds that set of jughead) in 2007.

*Note, this is ONLY going to work if they do decide to have a reset.

If not well, then obviously it cant work lOL

Hurley and the Numbers Transmission by Hurleybird Posted by DarkUFO at 8/27/2009 03:06:00 PM View Comments

I apologize if this has been brought up in someone else's theory, or if it turns out to be completely obvious. I believe that after the bomb went off, we have evidence that at least Hurley - if not all the other '77 Losties - will remain on the island in some form in an alternate timeline.

In S1 "Numbers" we're told that Hurley learned of the Numbers' origin when he visited Sam's wife in Sydney. She told him that Sam repeatedly heard them through a looping radio broadcast while they were stationed at a listening post to monitor the Pacific 16 years ago (that was in 2004, so about 1988). Later, Rousseau tells Hurley that she heard the same transmission of the Numbers when she and her team landed on the island and followed the signal to the radio tower. That was also in 1988, and the same year that Rousseau appearently replaced the signal with her distress call. This is the storyline that sprung the remainder of the series to this point.

In "316" we hear Hurley's voice (at least it really sounds like Hurley) broadcasting the numbers as the Ajira flight is going down.

Now, as of yet, there is no way of knowing who's voice was actually broadcasting the numbers prior to 1988, but since the only time we've actually heard the boradcast it was by Hurley (again, I watched again last night and I believe it is him), you can make at least an argument that it was Hurley all along.

My point is that this is an indication that the Incident probably caused an alternate timeline in which the '77 Losties remained on the Island, Hurley records and broadcasts the numbers (the reason for which we may or may not find out), the broadcast is never replaced by Rousseau's distress call, and the Ajira flight landed on the Island in that alternate timeline, only 30 years later.

SOS by Colin Posted by DarkUFO at 8/27/2009 01:56:00 PM View Comments

ok this is short and sweet and i know that these are suppose to be long.... but never saw or heard something like this... and kinda cool thing i saw last night while watching SOS from season two... ok kate and jack get caught in the net... while heading to the "line not to be crossed" we see a Black Rock at this line... multiple shots of it next to kate behind jack... jack starts yelling for these "other" people to come out. then jack says the line i want you all to think about... "ill be RIGHT here!" kinda reminds me of the incident when jacob says to MIB that when he finds his loophole that he "will be right here." !!! also another scene from this episode that stood out was locke and rose... Rose walks up to locke sitting on the beach (very jacob and MIB like) says lockes sitting in here spot... he says he can move and she jokes can he? at the end of the convo rose makes reference to the island being able to "! heal" with the line we both know it wont take that long... i got the feeling that rose was very jacoblike and john was very ehhhhhish. anyhow watch SOS again and find things... i feel this episode is very much hinting at the overall story.