For once I'm just gonna post a real short and sweet theory here:
In the wake of recent "(insert known character name here) came on the BlackRock theories", I will attempt to stimulate your thinking muscles, so here we go:
Richard: we are all pretty much on the same page here. It is still a Quote Un-Quote mystery, but it's no "Jimmy Hoffa" thing, in fact I think it will be a bigger WTF moment if Richard doesn't arrive on the BlackRock, which means that is entirely possible too.
But now on to the real reason I'm posting this theory, now I must say that I have no proof of this, it is only speculation, but in my thought process it is, feasible, so bare with me.
Ok, in season four in the episode The Constant we were first really introduced to Daniel Faraday and his quirky ways, it was also in this episode that the Mystery of the "BlackRock Journal" was spawned. Coincidence I think not, because at the end of this episode we are also hit with the realization, that Dan really keeps a rather concise Journal,(up until then we knew he had one but thought he was just a crazy guy screaming about his journal).
Now in the Variable we find out that he has been off the island doing God knows what in "Anne Arbor", and his Journal is now filled to the brim with stuff. What was he doing in "Anne Arbor" for three years? Is it possible that he somehow time-traveled to the BlackRock times and got himself on that ship as the First-mate? Is it possible that he then copied his journal so that he could leave a copy on the island? Is it also possible that he is the one who put the steering wheel in the Frozen Chamber, or at the very least came up with the idea?
I just think it was way too big a coincidence that "The BlackRock Journal" Mystery was brought forward in The Constant with all the Daniel journal stuff also in that episode, seems kinda in your face when you think about it doesn't it?
To finish I would just like to say: Remember at the beginning of season 5 when we see Haliwax/Chang, wake up and go to the orchid because of the problem of the guy dying, and I don't know about y'all but I just thought it was some sort of Flashback, then we see Daniel look up right before the title card, That was a WTF moment for me, I can totally see the same thing happening now with the BlackRock.
Picture this:
It's sailing along, and see's the island in view, Statue and all, then bam! something happens, and it's sitting in the middle of said Island all these people start filing out , then it cuts to a scene with Richard Mopping the floor in the Galley or something, and someone telling him to get above deck to help get the survivors out, then we see Richard running up some steps and out to a gangplank, then down it but in the back ground we see a guy taking notes, the camera zooms in to reveal it's Ole Danny Boy with his trusty journal!!
Boom!!
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BlackRock's First-mate... by Ricky
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36 Comments:
I totally agree both the black Rock journal and Dan's journal are important. It would be great if this theory came true.
nice new thought! as a dan-fan, i'm pleased - at least. ;-)
I like it, but mainly just because I'm a big Faraday fan.
hahaha, that was fun. but i honestly hope it doesn't happen.
ps, Ann Arbor.
ou should definitely go watch the deleted scene with Faraday. He tells Jack and Kate what he was doing back in Ann Arbor. About the theory, sounds nice and very WTFish, but I don't see it happen ! :)
Yeah, "Ann Arbor" actually exists, so you don't need the quotes.
@ Smaelb: Yeah Iwould but in America we won't get the DVDs for another month.
@BeardSalad: Yes I'm aware that "Ann Arbor" exists, and I'm also now aware that I misspelled it, but I put it in quotes to suggest that he may have not spent the whole three years in "Ann Arbor" as he said, hence the whole theory you know. Geeze dude, do you ever not make smart-alec remarks about any theory, let me answer for you no you don't!!
It must be somewhere around here http://tinyurl.com/ydopyc8
Love it. It definitely stuck out that Daniel was gone for 3 years, then he came back and had this huge plan in is head about the Jughead. And it could help explain how the Black Rock journal got off the island. This is for sure my fav "(insert known character name) came on the black rock" theories.
Vincent should be on the black rock
This theory would be interesting, but I just thought of another potential reason for the black rock. In my only theory I submitted that the smoke monster was created by an experiment gone wrong, but what if the black rock and whatever it is carrying interacts with the island after an earthquake and is drawn to the island, thus creating the volcanic/magnetic ash cloud, perhaps also drawing in MIB as well?
In other words, the smoke monster came over on the Black Rock (technically). I should have put that at the end above.
Nice theory! I've been working on a theory that I can't get quite right, but this may have helped. I think that Enzo Valenzetti is on the island or someone we know. It says on Lostpedia that Valenzetti died in a plane crash, and we all know what happens to planes on this show. So, maybe Valenzetti IS Daniel Faraday or was on the Black Rock and helped Faraday. I don't know. Also, kinda off subject, but has anyone else heard that LOST is not going to air during the Winter Olympics? I heard there is going to be a big gap between episodes. If this is true, I guess they are scared that LOST would get more viewers than the Olympics.
Its completely possible Richard came on the black Rock, and Richard took the Black Rock journal off the island...
not everything on the show is going to be confirmed and reconfirmed, Darlton expects us to assume the obvious...
tack on the deleted scene, and bingo... we got a winner...
http://dvdlost.blogspot.com/2009/10/lost-season-5-deleted-scenes-special.html
Sometimes ppl examine things a little too much when we are given all the info we need on the show...
I don't know why but I never even put the black rock and FDW together until I read this "steering wheel in the Frozen Chamber" interesting
tst it's true. sad and true.
I can totally see season six opening on board the Black Rock. That would be pretty cool. I can see us finally realizing where we are as the camera pans to Richard's face. I gotta say, though, that I don't want Daniel Faraday on board The Black Rock. I really don't. I'm done seeing Dan time travel, and I don't really want to open another season with Daniel being in another time like with season five. Again, though, I do like the idea of having season six open with the Black Rock arriving on the island. Nice theory.
Possible that during the 3 years he spent in Anne Arbor that he traveled into the past to be on the Black Rock? No, I'm not buying that one.
@Smaelb
I don't see a Jack, Kate and Faraday deleted scene here... http://tinyurl.com/ydopyc8
Although I like your connection between the journals!! It's just that Daniel having warped back somehow, and then returned isn't a path I think they'll take. We've already got at least 1 character we can examine the Black Rock with.
@ Mayhem:
That deleted scene you provided doesn't have anything to do with Daniel at all, I have seen the one that has him explaining the Boulder in the stream theory and yes he does say he spent the whole three years staring at those equations, but it doesn't necessarily, mean that he didn't stare at the equations for three yeas in ann arbor after he got back from time-traveling to the 1800's. But I am a dude that does know when to stop, so I'll say that yeah this idea is a little off the wall, but if I had theorized during the season 4 hiatus that in season five we'd see Daniel at the site of the construction of the Orchid in the 70's you'd have said the same thing, So Yes maybe it won't happen but I'm not ruling it out either.
I mean can you deny that there is some connection to Dans Journal and the BlackRock Journal, considering that the two were both paralleled in the same episode, in other words: Not until The Constant Did we know the importance of Dans journal to him and to the Losties, and in that very same episode we are given the mystery of the BlackRock Journal, You cannot say that there are many coincidences in Lost that don't turn out to be connections.
Further to the whole journals thing - don't forget that Claire also kept a journal (aka diary) but the intent is similar - maybe hers will have clues from her dreams or something that can tie to Daniel's and the Black Rock's?
Hello from Tokyo,
I like this theory. If Daniel traveled to Black Rock time, that is going to be fun.
Why Black Rock journal is very important like as Faraday's journal was important.
Then important for who, and why is the matter.
Why Daniel's journal is so important?
Faraday's journal was handed over to Eloise after Daniel died, so Eloise could organize the time until flight 316 based on his journal. It is really important for Eloise to change the future. Why she needed to cechange the future? Eloise really wants to change the future of Killing her own son since she is his mother. This is a quite good reason to change the future correct?
so, for Black Rock Journal, is now Charles Widmore's hand.
Why the Black Rock Journal is so important for Charles.
He should have quite good reason to change history of island. Which part of the history? History that he was vanished.
Cheers,
Hiroki
The reason they showed the Black Rock Journal together with Faraday's journal in one episode was because it was the most fitting moment to do. It was a Desmond-centric, and who would have had connections to Widmore before the plane crash except for Desmond. What they were hinting at in this episode is that there is this guy that is trying to find the Island and therefore needs to have this diary. While Daniel is equally connected to Desmond by his time travel experience. And it made sense to show the journal entry about Desmond being Daniel's constant in an episode dealing with finding a constant. I don't think there is a clue in there above that.
Furthermore I have had enough connections between the characters and events by now. Everything so far has been great in building up this complicated chain of events and character connections, but I still want to have some story telling left that deals with parts of the Island and the real world that haven't been adressed yet as a whole. If everything we have seen from now on will be explained by this self-sustaining way of narration, it could seem like a pretty autistic story in the end.
...And so Lost babels on like Rain Man, 4815162342, 4815162342,4815162342,4815162342,...
Yeah I think by your logic it's already a pretty autistic, story, because everything we have seen will explain every thing we have been presented we just don't know how yet.
And Kudos for using the word autistic as an adjective to describe a T.V. Show, that's up there with calling something , retarded!!
Interesting thoughts, but I don't think this is what's going to happen (or happened). Why would Daniel time travel to the Black Rock? How would he even know about the Black Rock journal? How would he know if the contents of the journal contains information important enough that he would risk time traveling to that time period? There a lot more questions I could ask but I'll keep it at those for now.
Also, you are suggesting that a time machine exists in Ann Arbor. I'm not sure I buy that either. The only way he could get BACK to the 70's after supposedly copying the journal would be to create a time machine on the island, right? You suggested he creates the donkey wheel contraption. But we all know the time travel via donkey wheel is unpredictable at best, so how would he get back to his exact time and place?
I think that when Daniel was in Ann Arbor, he spent some time in LA building the lampost. That's how he figured out the coordinates to get back to the island. About his being on the Black Rock, I'm not so sure, but I can really see him as a pirate.
My guess is Richard is on the Black Rock. I've always thought that. But lately as I've rewatched Lost, I'm not so sure that he doesn't go back to Egyptian times. There are a couple close ups of him where the eyeliner under his eyes is somewhat obvious. That could make him Egyptian.
One thing I thought about the Black Rock, though, is that it was a slave ship. That could be where Abbadon comes from. He's either on the ship, or his parents were.
I read some comments above. So here it goes.
Daniel couldn-t built the Lamp Post because The Lamp Post was the reason why DI found the island. So when Daniel left the island in 1974 he was already in DI. Unless when he went out of the island he time traveled so only in this case he could be the clever fella. But if he time traveled and built the Lamp Post he could time travel to Black Rock era and be on the Black Rock too. So it is quite possible.
Everything is possible in Lost.
Black Rock is THE mystery of this show.
First of all we have journals. Journal Hawking gave him in 90s couldn't be the same journal. Because the one she gave him was blank. Soon after that his brains is fried so how is it possible for Daniel to fill the entire journal..that is the question.
The same journal is now in Jacks backpack so I wonder where it will end up next..
The whole island is some sort of a ship. FDW is a stirring wheel upside down..and the island moves..
First time we saw Jacob and mysterious MiB they were looking at the Black Rock..
Hoarace said he is unfamiliar with the Black Rock but that is sort of impossible because Black Rock is positioned between Pearl, Staff and the Swan station..
Widmore payed great deal of money to get the Hanso journal who has been lost at sea..why? To find the island..how if the island is always moving through time and space? I believe Widmore is protecting the island..the existence of the island to the outside world...
And at the end I am positive Richard was a Black Rock doctor. Always first hand never the leader himself.
All in all Ricky I wouldnt be surprised if we saw Daniel and Locke, Sawyer whoever on Black Rock...wouldn't be surprised at all..everything is possible now.
Cool theory Ricky, Daniel Faraday is a big mystery in this show I wouldn't be surprised by anything with him anymore.
A lot of people seem to think that Daniel built the Lampost. Which is still possible because we don't know forsure what time periods this guy has been in. My personal thought though is that we are going to find out that JACOB was the one who built the Lampost.
@ Monika: You know I didn't post this as a "So any random Charcter is probably gonna be on the BlackRock" theory, I posted it to answer with some logic, if there is one character besides Richard that will be on the BlackRock then it will be Daniel, not just for the shock value that I knew this theory would get but mainly for the simple fact that, The Constant purposely parallels the two ( but if I'm right possibly one), Journals. there is a reason why Darlton put that BlackRock journal scene in that episode when they could have put it in any other Desmond Centric episode, because of the Journals, because of Daniel.
That is the mission of this theory, not to make people think that it's possible for any of our characters to be on the blackrock but to say that if there is one character beside Richard that should be on it, that guy is Daniel Faraday, and let the writer work out the how.
I liked this. That whole black rock steering wheel thing has been thrashed out in the past to a high degree, but always ended in mystery or a standstill, but your idea may have very well provided the missing link i.e. Faraday.
The journal thing is a stroke of genius. Not only does it make sense, but I think it is one of those things where we would kick ourselves very hard i.e. OMG we knew there were 2 important journals in Lost but we never realised they could be the same journal. Well we never realised, but you did. Massive kudos to you.
I hate your ALT stance Ricky, I hate all ALT-ers stance and I have switched off when reading yours (and all the others) ALT-istic (No Rain-Man connection)arguments, but this switched my brain right into gear, it's a really good theory and I have given you 5 stars for it.
I always had it in my mind there would be some 'shock/twist' to the Black Rock but I had convinced myself it would be something to do with the skeletons on board. I am still not sure I buy the 'slaves' thing. I think that may have been a red herring. Then when Sawyer went to the Black rock with Locke in TMFT he saw the skeletons and quipped to Locke: "Friends of yours?". So in my mind after season 5 I started thinking maybe those skeletons are some of our losties. I also wondered if the black rock maybe had a coffin on board after reading a theory that the Black rock was the 815 of it's day.
anyway then I read your theory and it gripped me immediately and now this idea is the dominant shock/twist idea for me.
Wow! Thanks Universe, I never thought I'd have a theory that you agreed with, but I'm glad I could provide some spark to your theory reading today, Yeah I'm pretty much done with all my ALT vs WHH stuff you and everyone else knows my stance and I've exhausted my ideas on it and I've tried ever which way I can think of to explain it the best I can without going crazy, so Now i just ponder the more fringe mysteries of the show.
Yeah Universal Chap Ole buddy ole pal, down with the ALT-ers!
No, but seriously Ricky, I honestly find it hard to believe that Daniel time traveled back to the 1800's during those 3 years at Ann Arbor and became a member of the Black Rock crew. You are getting creative and I no doubt believe that the journal is important, but I don't think it is going to be a copy of Daniel's chicken scratch. Plus, how would he have time traveled? How would he get back to the same 1977 time after that? It's not like they have this time travel thing all figured out yet, it still has a few kinks in it.
I know you do Dbutz, but, had you told me before season five that the first scene in season five was gonna be Daniel at the construction site of the orchid in the seventies I'd have had a hard time beleiving that too, but the explained that part pretty well I think so if they wanted to draw it out like i suggested then they would just have to explain how Daniel Time-traveled while at Ann Arbor, since he was trapped in the past and his lifes work was the study of Time-travel, then it isn't too much of a stretch to think that he may have figured out the key to it while he was at Ann Arbor and how to Control it too, and when you are dealing with time travel then 3 years is an eternity.
Brilliant Ricky, I just LOVE IT!!! Good thinking. He might not have time travelled while at Ann Arbour but he may have on his time travel adventures after his failed attempts with his girlfriend. We know he has memory loss...I think everything will be combined and this is a great idea. The diary could have just been a route to the island or like you suggest, so much more. If the book was in the hands of people off island (like Widmore) then that definately gives us an opposing side for the war.
If the Black Rock journal isn't Faraday's, it still could be a similar item that was used when the Black Rock folk came to the island there could have been a scientist on board who also got trapped in a loop...
I can't believe you three are still going strong with this debate.
Hey Dbutz, who won the best ALT theory in the forums?